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Eve Lore Question - Eve Gate

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Kamora Ikkala
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-01-09 11:55:26 UTC
I am curious i have two different accounts of the origin of life in new eden:

One states that humanity entered through the wormhole and then it collapsed causing the destruction of the new eden system.

The second states that humanity did enter through the wormhole but knew it would collapse and started work on the eve gate structure.
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-09 12:04:09 UTC
Considering that the times of the Old Testament are five times more recent than the events you are referring to, and our understanding of that time period is murky at best, we may never know.
Tykari
The Observatory
#3 - 2013-01-09 12:31:30 UTC
Well both are possible, you could even consider the first one to be a shorter version of the second. Where they simply omit the gates having ever existed, afterall the end result is much the same.Something goes terribly wrong with the gates/wormhole, causing widespread destruction and leaving the spot, where the gate/wormhole is/was, a jumble of spacetime, heavy radation and electromagnetic storms.

The second version does leave more questions. Afterall if it was a wormhole the collapse is simply a natural disaster, a force of nature that wasn't to be entirely unexpected. If the gates were able to take over though one has to wonder, why did the gates suddenly fail? Chances are there may have been a conflict, or sabotage by someone that caused it to fail. Perhaps it was even done on purpose for some dark reason.

But as Maire pointed out, we may never know. Maybe one of the Ancient races would have known what exactly happened as they appear to have survived the disaster somewhat. But most are either dead, missing, or staying isolated on purpose.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.

Kamora Ikkala
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-01-09 12:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kamora Ikkala
I ask because of this item i have located on a web archive.

http://web.archive.org/web/20000817122233/http://www.eve-online.com/history/default.htm

"Things took an unexpected turn for the better, however, with the discovery of a natural wormhole near the system of Canopus. Although their existence had long been the subject of speculation, this was the first natural occurrence of the phenomenon ever seen. Probes sent into the wormhole showed not only that it was stable, but led to a solar system almost at the other end of the Milky Way.

A decision was made to build Jump gates at each end of the wormhole, as only specially reinforced ships were able to use the wormhole itself. Furthermore, scientists predicted that it would close in a few decades, so men and equipment were ferried to the other side, setting up bases in the new system it created, which was soon christened New Eden"
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2013-01-09 12:52:37 UTC
As for in-character knowledge, the "you'll never know definitively" is the correct answer.

As for purely OOC lore, the EVE Gate was constructed to stabilize the wormhole. The wormhole went past the time it would have collapsed naturally, but the EVE Gate kept it propped open for a while. Then it just all went to **** and blammo. Catastrophe.

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Kamora Ikkala
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-01-09 13:42:29 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
As for in-character knowledge, the "you'll never know definitively" is the correct answer.

As for purely OOC lore, the EVE Gate was constructed to stabilize the wormhole. The wormhole went past the time it would have collapsed naturally, but the EVE Gate kept it propped open for a while. Then it just all went to **** and blammo. Catastrophe.



Thank you for the clarification and wonderful explination of the cataclysmic event that followed :) , i am curious do ccp employees have an eve lore manual?
Tykari
The Observatory
#7 - 2013-01-09 14:14:55 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
As for in-character knowledge, the "you'll never know definitively" is the correct answer.

As for purely OOC lore, the EVE Gate was constructed to stabilize the wormhole. The wormhole went past the time it would have collapsed naturally, but the EVE Gate kept it propped open for a while. Then it just all went to **** and blammo. Catastrophe.


They forced it to keep it open? Yeah, no wonder things went south, forcing nature hardly ever works out.

And while we're on the subject of the EVE gate, something I made a while back. The EVE Gate

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.

Kamora Ikkala
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-01-09 15:26:27 UTC
Tykari wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
As for in-character knowledge, the "you'll never know definitively" is the correct answer.

As for purely OOC lore, the EVE Gate was constructed to stabilize the wormhole. The wormhole went past the time it would have collapsed naturally, but the EVE Gate kept it propped open for a while. Then it just all went to **** and blammo. Catastrophe.


They forced it to keep it open? Yeah, no wonder things went south, forcing nature hardly ever works out.

And while we're on the subject of the EVE gate, something I made a while back. The EVE Gate


Beautiful art work I am very impressed by it. And I also agree with your recent comment; they were stupid to try and pry open a wormhole.
Valentine Arkanian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-01-10 09:22:30 UTC
Actually, I think it sounds like a remarkable feat of human ingenuity. I'd imagine that the first people to build a dam weren't successful either.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but those who built the gate and those who went through knew it wouldn't stay open indefinitely. If someone asked me to go to the far reaches of space, that they weren't really sure what was there, and that it might be a one way trip, I'd sign up in a heartbeat.

And it's possible and likely that humans learned from the EVE gate and have been using wormholes for space travel for millenia. They might be looking for a wormhole to the New Eden cluster or they might be trying to construct an artificial wormhole to see what happened to all those colonists who went through 20, 000 years before. In any case, humanity is no longer confined to a single planet.

I'll say too that I'm pretty new, so if I just contradicted any established lore then consider the above a snippet of AU fanfiction.
Tykari
The Observatory
#10 - 2013-01-10 09:58:06 UTC
Valentine Arkanian wrote:
Actually, I think it sounds like a remarkable feat of human ingenuity. I'd imagine that the first people to build a dam weren't successful either.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but those who built the gate and those who went through knew it wouldn't stay open indefinitely. If someone asked me to go to the far reaches of space, that they weren't really sure what was there, and that it might be a one way trip, I'd sign up in a heartbeat.

And it's possible and likely that humans learned from the EVE gate and have been using wormholes for space travel for millenia. They might be looking for a wormhole to the New Eden cluster or they might be trying to construct an artificial wormhole to see what happened to all those colonists who went through 20, 000 years before. In any case, humanity is no longer confined to a single planet.

I'll say too that I'm pretty new, so if I just contradicted any established lore then consider the above a snippet of AU fanfiction.


Well humanity already knew how to construct stargates before they built the EVE, at least according to the old intro. And stargates use artifical wormholes to connect to other starsystems. The EVE gate and its counterpart in the Milky Way are just gigantic versions because of the massive distance and the nature of the EVE wormhole. Technically speaking the gates should have done just fine in taking over from the natural wormhole and keep the connection going and in fact they did for a while it would seem.

Though to be fair, from the way the old intro portrayed it( image of it here) it seems to be a vastly different class of wormhole than the ones we see today in New Eden and used by regular stargates, so chances are something happened they didn't expect at all. When you're dealing with a tear in the fabric of space that is generating and using massive amounts of energy I really doubt it was a good idea to keep on pouring more energy into it just to keep it going.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.

CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2013-01-10 10:26:23 UTC
The EVE Gate was on a different scale than traditional stargates. The only way humanity was able to move between galaxies was because the wormhole existed in the first place, creating a natural weakness in space-time that could then be held open by the EVE Gate.

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Eliniale
Co-operative Resource Extraction
#12 - 2013-01-10 11:27:43 UTC
For completion's sake:

The way gates in eve work is by the creation of mini wormholes around the ship that wishes to be moved. Which are visually somewhat similar to the unstable wormholes we can encounter everywhere since the Seyllin event.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Interstellar_travelling
This article covers much of the lore concerning stargates.

Both of the above however are very visually different from the remnants of the New Eden wormhole:
http://www.eve-wiki.net/images/0/03/EveGateNew.jpg

System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-01-10 21:55:23 UTC
Eliniale wrote:
For completion's sake:

The way gates in eve work is by the creation of mini wormholes around the ship that wishes to be moved. Which are visually somewhat similar to the unstable wormholes we can encounter everywhere since the Seyllin event.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Interstellar_travelling
This article covers much of the lore concerning stargates.

Both of the above however are very visually different from the remnants of the New Eden wormhole:
http://www.eve-wiki.net/images/0/03/EveGateNew.jpg


The interstellar travelling wiki says that Gallente and Caldari began building gates in their systems about 700 years ago, and completed building them in about 500 years. So that would imply that their gate construction was completed about 200 years ago.

It also says that in 500 years, Gallente and Caldari built as many gates as Amarr did in 2,000 years. But I don't see a date for when Amarr began constructing their gates. Any ideas or sources on that?
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-01-12 13:27:49 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
The EVE Gate was on a different scale than traditional stargates. The only way humanity was able to move between galaxies was because the wormhole existed in the first place, creating a natural weakness in space-time that could then be held open by the EVE Gate.


Between gallaxies? The text quoted before says that EVE is at the other side of the Milky Way. Very, very far, but same galaxy.
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-01-14 01:19:44 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
The EVE Gate was on a different scale than traditional stargates. The only way humanity was able to move between galaxies was because the wormhole existed in the first place, creating a natural weakness in space-time that could then be held open by the EVE Gate.


Between gallaxies? The text quoted before says that EVE is at the other side of the Milky Way. Very, very far, but same galaxy.

There can be multiple explanations to this mismatch of information:
1) the quote is taken from an archive source and is no longer considered a canon, i.e. it was retconned (making the current versio true, the old one false);
2) the first explorers thought the exit point was in the same galaxy whereas it was indeed in another one - this can be explained by the limitations of technology and/or simply by the fact that our universe is so huge there may be another galaxy that looks identical to our Milky Way, so both stories are true;
3) CCP Eterne was misinformed and New Eden, in fact, is located within our galaxy, thus making the latest story not true.

Noone will truly know :)
Safai
Yaqin
#16 - 2013-01-14 03:40:58 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
It also says that in 500 years, Gallente and Caldari built as many gates as Amarr did in 2,000 years. But I don't see a date for when Amarr began constructing their gates. Any ideas or sources on that?

This part of the Timeline says AD 21290, bridging the Amarr and Hedion systems. Amarr got into the space game pretty early. Not sure what chronicle that is sourced from, if any.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-01-14 19:10:07 UTC
Safai wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
It also says that in 500 years, Gallente and Caldari built as many gates as Amarr did in 2,000 years. But I don't see a date for when Amarr began constructing their gates. Any ideas or sources on that?

This part of the Timeline says AD 21290, bridging the Amarr and Hedion systems. Amarr got into the space game pretty early. Not sure what chronicle that is sourced from, if any.

Excellent, thanks much Safai. So by that, they started building gates 2,060 years ago. So with the wiki saying they built for about 2,000 years, apparently they didn't finish building gates until pretty recently.
Eliniale
Co-operative Resource Extraction
#18 - 2013-01-15 11:59:02 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
Safai wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
It also says that in 500 years, Gallente and Caldari built as many gates as Amarr did in 2,000 years. But I don't see a date for when Amarr began constructing their gates. Any ideas or sources on that?

This part of the Timeline says AD 21290, bridging the Amarr and Hedion systems. Amarr got into the space game pretty early. Not sure what chronicle that is sourced from, if any.

Excellent, thanks much Safai. So by that, they started building gates 2,060 years ago. So with the wiki saying they built for about 2,000 years, apparently they didn't finish building gates until pretty recently.


Well according to lore there are still sleeper ships on their way to construct gates (although these may have arrived before now, somewhere in the 10 years of eve that have already been going on).

System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread