EVE General Discussion

Wholeheartedly agree. There is a lot I do for new players, and even players I just happen to run across but have never had any previous interaction with. And I know I'm not alone in that attitude.

YES! Eugenics is a very good case against what you talk about!

They have to help?

Our newbies just have to show up and be all :shobon:.

* Eve was never a contest of the weak verses the strong. It's not even a principle.

Eve is the difference between 2 types of individuals:

1. Those who choose to be Good.
2. Those who choose to be Evil.

Define your own meanings for good an evil. There is lawfulness, and lawlessness. Moral, and Immoral, and all are creations based on the whims of society.

* The truth about Eve, is it's simply choice.

Do you betray those who trusts you've gained? Do you back them instead? Do you prey on the weak? Or do you attempt to protect them and raise them up? Do you prefer the easy way to riches and power? Through scams, cheating others, lies and deceit? Or do you prefer the hard path of work, effort and honorable action?

There is no good or evil, no strong, and no weak, there is only Choice and what you as an individual choose to do.


* The problem however is that Humans are what one could call by nature, Evil. Humans are selfish, greedy creatures, who even when helping others somewhere in the back of their minds only think about how it may benefit them in the future. They are like viruses, moving to an area and consuming all natural resources before having to move to the next in order to survive. They don't care what they destroy or who is hurt by their actions, only the gain and the result.

The problem with EvE, is not a game mechanic. It is an entirely Human one. And you can fight a lot of wars and win, but the one against your own nature, you will always lose.

* Those who fight and complain about the injustices of many of Eves systems are correct, However the ones who say the strong will prevail over the weak are also correct.

What defines the strong? What defines the Weak?


I am a carebear, I am also responsible for the demise and Death of several of 3000+ man Alliances. Am I weak? Am I strong? What decides such, did their trust in me cause their downfall, yes. Was it weakness? No. Do I need to be able to kill defensless individuals in order to be strong? But isn't that something only a coward and weakling would do? Does betraying everyone I know make me strong?

What is Strong?

If the weak who are constantly abused and downtrodden suffer through and continue on never giving up and attaining their goals does not make them strong, what does?

If killing helpless new players and defensless individuals does not make you weak, What does?

* You all are several confused about what is true Strength, and True weakness:

Strength is the ability to survive against all odds and opposition, even when continually beaten to never give up and continue.

Weakness is the choice to take advantage of those you perceive as weaker then yourself, arrogance is weakness, impatience is weakness, prejudice is weakness, the choice to prey on those who are not as knowledgeable or lucky or skilled as you, is weakness.

Strength is not found in a group of individuals who must field an entire fleet in order to kill a single individual. Strength is not found in those who scream for the blood of those who would embrace them in friendship and prosperity, rather then accept such an offer.

Strength is found in the ability and desire to make the world and EvE better for everyone, and more enjoyable for all no mattyer their desired sector of space or hobby.

You as a player make these choices every day, and make EvE what it is. Will it be a wasteland of individuals who desire for nothing but their own gain and in doing such kill, pollute and destroy EvE and everything in it? Or will your choices have you remembered as the individuals who tried to help grow and make EvE a Utopian prosper, in all manor of ways.

Who are you, and what will you be remembered as? Or will you be remembered at all? Most who say they are strong and disclaim the weak are generally turned to dust and ash over time forgotten. While the weak who were downtrodden and yet struggled and succeeded are remembered for Millennia.

Who is the victor, the one who is remembered, or the one who is forgotten,and, does it even really matter in the end?

One day all things will be repaid, and there is always someone out there better and smarter then you, the Little guy is only such until he bands with others. Then the weak more often then not become the strong and enslave those who were once, strong.

But then you have the matter if distinguishing between genuine noobs and alts, and that sort of thing.

Who should you be mad at...the guy who shot a valid wartarget, or the one who made you a valid wartarget without telling you?

The difference is is that this is a game of internet spaceships where you are immortal and can make millions of dollars an hour for sitting on your butt, mining a roid as opposed to reality where you have only one life, and will make maybe a couple of bucks and hour and will not be able to afford said tank, let alone find this person to ram them. In addition you will also take upon yourself the consequences. In internet spaceships this would be no insurance back on your ship and maybe you or the other will ride the pod express. In reality they would be dead and you would be forever locked up.

It's a game man. I think you may need to take a break from it and figure what is real and has consequences and what is fake and has no consequences.

Your point is wholly valid. Honestly, I'm not mad at either. For one, it was years ago. And two, in the grand scheme of things, it's really not particularly important, and certainly not unique. That said, neither were honorable in their actions, and it was a big factor in my decision to discontinue playing Eve for the next several years, from a guy with a lot of disposable income who's willing to invest in the games he enjoys playing. How many more out there are like me?

No one can really say with certainty how well Eve is doing today. I'd say CCP is doing pretty well, given their ability to launch Dust, which aside from being unique was actually very well-crafted from what little Ive seen of it so far. But how much further along could they have been? Maybe it's just me, but I don't generally set my sights low on anything in life.

I started playing Eve around the time STO was announced. That was something I genuinely looked forward to for years, before it was even conceptualized. That led me to Eve, knowing the launch date was years away. STO was a disappointment to many people, myself among them. Their failures led me back to Eve. Perhaps others as well. Will they be able to keep us this time?

I've invested a lot in this game as of late. I started and funded a corp to bring like-minded people together, in order to make Eve an enjoyable place for me and them, and to have strength in numbers, because Eve demands it. This isn't your casual game, and casual gamers will have a difficult time here without friends. Will that be enough?

This all comes back to the op's post. This game is what the players make it. It's not a new concept. I've heard it from many people, in and out of game. And this post has generated in my opinion some healthy discussion on that topic. Largely, it will have zero impact on anything, but it could be that little tiny spark planted in someone's mind, that has a subtle ripple effect on those it touches.

I use my example of my early Eve experience to point out what is most glaring about this game. One guy, so bored with his own life that he was willing to camp at a station for hours on end, sat there podding players in rookie ships. Podding them. As if that makes him special or powerful. Another guy, desperate for new blood, recruits new players knowing that guy is at the station podding new recruits. Not very honorable. These are common actions in Eve, and it is damaging to its health.

In closing, just bringing up alts says a lot in itself. The constant recycling of the same players isn't healthy for any game. If it is such common practice for existing players to create alts, then that is another can of worms. At any rate, I can't imagine I have anything else to contribute to this forum. There are a lot of interesting points of view I've read, many of which I agree with, others which only highlight the truth of the topic.

Everyone has a choice. If podding people makes you feel happy and powerful, well, that's allowed here. And to those people, I genuinely hope they find some sort of genuine satisfaction in their real lives to make up for whatever it is that ails them so. If you believe in helping and nurturing new players, then I believe that's real strength and comes from a less selfish, more real, less tortured, more balanced, human being. Most games don't allow those with sociopathic tendencies to act on them in such glaring ways; I don't believe it's a true reflection of humanity as a whole. I think it's a small subset, and that due to this game's culture, they thrive within this environment, coloring the universe in an unrealistic portrait of humankind. This is my opinion. Some will share it, others will not.

Uh, what? Are you trying to imply that it's the game's fault for not telling you that you could be podded for leaving your house, akin to the kid who ran out being the fault of the parents for not keeping their child indoors? I don't understand this analogy.

It's up to the player to know how to play. Period. Whether you are prudent with your research (read forums etc) or want to take a chance diving right in and learning from your mistakes (which your example of you getting podded by a WT shows).

Keep in mind, being podded whether you are a vet or a rookie bears no hit on any reputation, nor is it really "bad". Running over a child however, is.

I agree.

nothing is true everything is permitted
maybe this is what humanity is really like, under the surface
maybe the illuminati have a point, the common herd need to be kept in line by the benevolent guiding hand of the enlightened to maintain order in society, and protect the weak from the strong
otherwise chaos breaks out and there is no civilisation