EVE General Discussion

While the idea of WiS does intrigue me, STO has had toons running around in stations since launch and to be honest I don't think we're missing that here. if by some chance the project should be revitalized then great but for now I'm content with my toon being merely a blueprint for my avatar.

Keep trying Ghazu ,maybe you succeed .

Maybe that i am the most pessimistic guy lately ,when it comes to WIS and Team Absent and their management ,but reading the different WIS threads lately ,it makes me clear that there are more Barbielovers as you call them ,then ever before.

So instead of saluting ,i emote you , Mr or Mrs Ghazu

oh hey you really got me there, now tell me how it's a "big deal" for "people like you" to emote in their avatars.

oh wow look at that https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=193051&find=unread

I actually have a lifetime sub to STO (from the "pre-order" days) and the running around and dealing with consoles and crap is fun, but getting in the ship and flying it is fun too.

I would like to see some of that here in EvE, but not if it ever detracts from our spaceships...

That's also why I very rarely ever even log into that game any more.

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Celly

Point is just: WiS IS along EvE's own path. Always been. It's a strategic feauture in EvE core design and DNA almost since the game release; as often happens has been implemented poorly and badly and need iterations.

What is not in EvE's path is having this core feauture released as something totally separated in respect of the main gameplay, with no chance to interact/integegrate with it and restricted by a stupid item mall.

Then, yes, an iteration/redesign of WiS as gameplay interacting and integrating with EvE main gameplay is challenging; but it's just the ability to deal with this kind of challenges rthat made EvE a great game surviving so long.

Then, yes, we can say CCP shouldn't do nothing but continue to tweek ships in a neverending nerf/buff loop, and yes, this requires no effort and no risks for CCP but will not last long, to survive the game needs to evolve, attract new players and develop brand new options. Needs to adapt or die.

This dudes emoting stuff was old the first time you did it. And no, that's not what they said anyway.



And your argument would imply you don't want anything new in Eve at all. If you follow your logic then anything that anyone wants in the game shouldn't be there because they could just play another game to get it. You could say exactly the same for any new FiS content that people ask for. Want new POSes that you can build from scratch to do exactly what you need them to do, and be customisable and individual? Go play mine-craft, you can build stuff in much more detail there.

Ultimately, what people want in the game is important, because the developers base their changes on what their customer base wants. That's how good marketing works. You can't tell people not to ask for what they want because they can get is somewhere else. They don't want to play second life, they want a space sim.

Don't get me wrong, I want CCP to work on meaningful WiS content, with impact on the FiS word that matches most of the other content. But that doesn't exclude the idea of people actually being able to walk around in relatively peaceful environments.

I love EVE.

It's more, I wouldn't mind the rest of that stuff that got started like 7 years ago so that I have something other then a bunch of lists to stare at.

Nor am I saying I just want to emote. I'm saying that I'd love the idea of being able to do things like walk into your bar and gambe. Something like that would be better than nothing, and was one of the original ideas behind walking in stations.

I'd like to spend more time playing, but the only thing to do is more flying around.
Think about how many times you hear the "I don't log in anymore except to update my skill Q or if there's a big OP I should be at."

I'm sure CCP doesn't mind that they've got a ton of people who don't really play, just log in for 5 or 10 minutes and then log out, they're still paying each month. I'm also sure CCP would love it if all those people logged in and did stuff.


Like I said way earlier in the thread,
If CCP had been iterating on WiS sinse the relase of Incarna, we'd probably be shooting each other on stations today.

I'm not an RPer, but I"m also not to cool to admit that I do play an RPG. CCP does a great job giving us sandbox tools, they've done a rather poor job over the last decade of providing RP ones.

RP tools can be very valuable. I"m not really sure where so many people here seem to turn there nose up at idea of tools that would support RP in EVE, when pretty much every other MMO I've ever played has had a community that embraces such tools. I never see people telling other in Rift, WoW, EQ2, or any other MMO for asking for more RP tools, no. I usually see the non RPers supporting the RPers, even though they won't actively utilize those sorts of tools.

It's not "emoting", i'ts social interaction on a level that doesnb't exist currently in EVE.
That is never a bad thing in an RPG, it provides more immersion; for a lot of people.

Most peopel are role playing in EVE, unintentionally, and without realizing it.

Even our Dear Leader is playing a role in EVE.
I never say, "I play industry in EVE", I do always refer to myself as "an industrialist" though.

Yea, except you weren't replying to them.

See that's the problem, prioritization. I don't like this baby steps approach, just look at how many years it took them to redo FW.
Basically wis must be meaningful to exist at all. So meaningless at first then another 5 years of babysteping towards some meaningful gameplay, is not acceptable.