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Operative Sidney Reilly
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-13 05:38:37 UTC
EVE is a place where you can be anything you desire. I mea anything. From intergalactic criminal to Intergalactic Police force and anything in between.

A large topic of debate recently has been a group of players known as The New Order and their figurehead leader James 315. They fall under the spetrum of you can be anything you want, as terrorists.

Now let me explain where I came up with that. Terrorism is defined as: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.

Lets break down that definition for those who dont fully understand the definition supplied.

Systematic is: presented or formulated as a coherent body of ideas or principles

Coercion is: force or the power to use force in gaining compliance, as by a government or police force

So terrorism is the emplyment of a set of prociples to force an individual or group of individuals to comply with their beliefs through the use of terror. N.O. uses the threat of bumping and ganking in roder to get miners to comply with their Code.

Just like many terrorist groups in the real world, such as AlQueda, they hide their working behind a religious facade of making High-Sec a better place for everyone.

Any objections to that? because its hard to deny facts and definitions when we all can look them up and confirm this.

I think one has to say it's not just simply a matter of capturing people and holding them accountable, but removing the sanctuaries, removing the support systems, ending states who sponsor terrorism. And that's why it has to be a broad and sustained campaign. ~Paul Wolfowitz
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#2 - 2013-01-13 05:41:06 UTC
Thank you for your definition of what a terrorist is. Before this, I was uninformed and unable to recognize such a thing.

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Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-13 06:07:29 UTC
Glory to the Saviour! He rides astride an Invincible Stabber, dispensing justice and wisdom throughout Highsec!
Operative Sidney Reilly
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-13 06:09:15 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Glory to the Saviour! He rides astride an Invincible Stabber, dispensing justice and wisdom throughout Highsec!



The speed at which N.O. makes their presence known is almost mindboggling.

I think one has to say it's not just simply a matter of capturing people and holding them accountable, but removing the sanctuaries, removing the support systems, ending states who sponsor terrorism. And that's why it has to be a broad and sustained campaign. ~Paul Wolfowitz
Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-01-13 07:51:16 UTC
Operative Sidney Reilly wrote:

Just like many terrorist groups in the real world, such as AlQueda, they hide their working behind a religious facade of making High-Sec a better place for everyone.

Any objections to that? because its hard to deny facts and definitions when we all can look them up and confirm this.

In before the lock!

Wow.

Don't you think that comparing an organization that is attempting to build a better tomorrow for active miners in a game (even if you don't agree with that goal - that is the stated mission and what the Order actively works towards) to al-Queda is a little much? It's borderline libelous really. I mean... geepers you really need some perspective.



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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-13 08:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Agent Eunoli wrote:
Operative Sidney Reilly wrote:

Just like many terrorist groups in the real world, such as AlQueda, they hide their working behind a religious facade of making High-Sec a better place for everyone.

Any objections to that? because its hard to deny facts and definitions when we all can look them up and confirm this.

In before the lock!

Wow.

Don't you think that comparing an organization that is attempting to build a better tomorrow for active miners in a game (even if you don't agree with that goal - that is the stated mission and what the Order actively works towards) to al-Queda is a little much? It's borderline libelous really. I mean... geepers you really need some perspective.





Take it into context. Al-Queda believes they are also going to build a better life for all Muslims with the collapse of Western Ideals. All terror groups have a flawed view of how they are going to make the world better by getting rid of X.

That's why I have no delusions of what it is I do in this Game.

NOW CONVERT.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-13 08:25:27 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:

Take it into context. Al-Queda believes they are also going to build a better life for all Muslims with the collapse of Western Ideals. All terror groups have a flawed view of how they are going to make the world better by getting rid of X.

That's why I have no delusions of what it is I do in this Game.

NOW CONVERT.

Context: EVE Online is a game. In this game people blow up other people's ships within the framework of a digital environment. There is no loss of life.

al-Queda is an organization that operates in the real world. They actively pursue means which brutally kill innocents. What they do is despicable, horrifying, and terrible. In no context is what they do - the killing of innocents in brutal ways - considered to be anything other than evil. For extremists they may delude themselves into thinking that it is a "necessary" evil but it is still pure evil.

The context is this: One group engages in what the game is all about - internet spaceships.

The other group brutally kills people for real, destroys lives, and tortures real living people.

To compare the two is ridiculous at so many ways. It marginalizes all who have put their own lives into harm's way to protect the rest of the world from these extremists.

Compare in game things to in game things. If you want to compare the New Order of Highsec to Hulkageddon - have at it! No worries there. If you want to say that the people in the New Order engage in game terror - sure, I don't agree with the sentiment, but people are entitled to their opinion. But keep the context within the game.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-01-13 08:34:41 UTC
Agent Eunoli wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:

Take it into context. Al-Queda believes they are also going to build a better life for all Muslims with the collapse of Western Ideals. All terror groups have a flawed view of how they are going to make the world better by getting rid of X.

That's why I have no delusions of what it is I do in this Game.

NOW CONVERT.

Context: EVE Online is a game. In this game people blow up other people's ships within the framework of a digital environment. There is no loss of life.

al-Queda is an organization that operates in the real world. They actively pursue means which brutally kill innocents. What they do is despicable, horrifying, and terrible. In no context is what they do - the killing of innocents in brutal ways - considered to be anything other than evil. For extremists they may delude themselves into thinking that it is a "necessary" evil but it is still pure evil.

The context is this: One group engages in what the game is all about - internet spaceships.

The other group brutally kills people for real, destroys lives, and tortures real living people.

To compare the two is ridiculous at so many ways. It marginalizes all who have put their own lives into harm's way to protect the rest of the world from these extremists.

Compare in game things to in game things. If you want to compare the New Order of Highsec to Hulkageddon - have at it! No worries there. If you want to say that the people in the New Order engage in game terror - sure, I don't agree with the sentiment, but people are entitled to their opinion. But keep the context within the game.


I think I am going to create a corp and call Al-Queda just to irk you.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#9 - 2013-01-13 09:19:02 UTC
Operative Sidney Reilly wrote:
Now let me explain where I came up with that. Terrorism is defined as: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.

Isn't it amazing how the hyper-emotional word "terrorism" loses all its power when you reduce it to a dry definition?

At first you're all like: "Whaaargarbl angersputter TERRORISUM!"

But then you take out your dictionary and you're like: "Wait, that's like that lady that gave me that angry look when I was making noise in the library."

And then you **** up and try to appeal to people's emotions anyway.

Cheap, lazy. Would not read again. ZERO stars.

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-01-13 09:22:05 UTC
Operative Sidney Reilly wrote:
EVE is a place where you can be anything you desire. I mea anything. From intergalactic criminal to Intergalactic Police force and anything in between.

A large topic of debate recently has been a group of players known as The New Order and their figurehead leader James 315. They fall under the spetrum of you can be anything you want, as terrorists.

Now let me explain where I came up with that. Terrorism is defined as: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.

Lets break down that definition for those who dont fully understand the definition supplied.

Systematic is: presented or formulated as a coherent body of ideas or principles

Coercion is: force or the power to use force in gaining compliance, as by a government or police force

So terrorism is the emplyment of a set of prociples to force an individual or group of individuals to comply with their beliefs through the use of terror. N.O. uses the threat of bumping and ganking in roder to get miners to comply with their Code.

Just like many terrorist groups in the real world, such as AlQueda, they hide their working behind a religious facade of making High-Sec a better place for everyone.

Any objections to that? because its hard to deny facts and definitions when we all can look them up and confirm this.


You like to lawyer dodge don't you?

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#11 - 2013-01-13 09:58:47 UTC
James and some of his flunkies posting all over the forums.

Is your little attempt at becoming popular so hard you have to give yourselves press?
VonKolroth
Anarchist's Anonymous
#12 - 2013-01-13 10:36:21 UTC
Operative Sidney Reilly wrote:
Terrorism is defined as: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.


If aspects of a video game manages to induce actual terror in a person, that person should just stop playing that game, just a thought.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#13 - 2013-01-13 11:17:52 UTC
Operative Sidney Reilly wrote:


So terrorism is the emplyment of a set of prociples to force an individual or group of individuals to comply with their beliefs through the use of terror. N.O. uses the threat of bumping and ganking in roder to get miners to comply with their Code.

Just like many terrorist groups in the real world, such as AlQueda, they hide their working behind a religious facade of making High-Sec a better place for everyone.



It just struck me that the ISDs are all terrorists: Clearly they "use the threat of forum bans in order to get posters to comply with their Code of Conduct."

Also, they "just like many terrorist groups in the real world, such as AlQueda, they hide their working behind a moral facade of making the forums a better place for everyone."

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Je suis Berlin // Fort Lauderdale // London // St. Petersburg // Stockholm

Je suis [?]
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#14 - 2013-01-13 11:33:58 UTC
if the NO was serious about its cause they would burn themselves on the stake as a protest against afk mining

those religious folks knew how to stage a goddamn demonstration Lol
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-01-13 11:45:52 UTC
Forum Rules wrote:


4. Be respectful of others at all times.

The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.


20. Post constructively.

Negative feedback can be very useful, provided that it is presented in a civil, factual manner. Tell us what you don't like and why and how you feel it could be improved. Posts that are not constructive, insulting or rude may be deleted, no matter how valid the ideas behind them may be.




Whilst the term Terrorism in and of itself is not an issue, comparisons of in-game organisations, no matter how distasteful you may find them, to any real world group is not something we wish to see on the forums. It does not promote healthy discussion and invariably ends in foul language, abuse and personal attacks. In future please keep such things away from here, thank you - ISD Type40.

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