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Merging Mining Barge/Exhumer with ORE?
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Lina Miaoke
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#1 - 2013-01-12 23:25:05 UTC
Feels weird that Noctis and mining frigate are under ORE but not Mining Barge/Exhumer. Is this intended or will ORE/Industrial skills eventually be cleaned up?
Jemar Tsoni
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-01-13 05:44:38 UTC
I assume this is intended, but i do agree with you that is a bit strange
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2013-01-13 07:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
So many skills:

Mining Frigate (rank 2) - Venture
ORE Industrial (rank 4) - Noctis
Mining Barge (rank 4) - Procurer, Retriever, Covetor
Exhumer (rank 5) - Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk
Industrial Command Ships (rank 8) - Orca
Capital Industrial Ships (rank 12) - Rorqual

I think like many I was surprised the Venture got its own skill. I fully expected it would be an ORE Industrial. I suppose the reason behind this was that ORE Industrial is a rank 4 skill, as opposed to Mining Frigate which is rank 2, half as many skill points for rookies to train.
Sam Korak
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-01-14 11:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Sam Korak
It's kind of a tricky subject because ORE Industrial is Noctis, which IMO had nothing to do with ORE since it's a salvage ship not a mining ship. Perhaps changing the name of the skill could fix that. Can't think of any fitting Noctis though.
But yeah training Mining Frigate to IV should be the way to unlock Mining Barge, they are cruiser sized Ventures after all.

EDIT:
Perhaps a skill rehaul to put them in-line with racial ships would work?

Frigate III > Industrial
Frigate IV > Barge
Barges IV > Orca
Barges V > Exhumers (which already is the case IIRC?)
Orca V > Rorqual
Exhumers are T2 Barges so whatever
we are missing the BS sized ORE ships so perhaps ORCa could take it's place?
and then we finaly get to Rorqual.
All you would need to do is change the skill multipliers for these to be same as for racial frigates/cruisers/bs/caps(carriers maybe?)

That would make the Industrial pilots more specialized and put those orca crosstrained pvpers and other shenanigans like that in line with the new racial rehaul for destroyers and battlecruisers CCP is planning on.
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#5 - 2013-01-25 13:00:47 UTC
Sam Korak wrote:
It's kind of a tricky subject because ORE Industrial is Noctis, which IMO had nothing to do with ORE since it's a salvage ship not a mining ship. Perhaps changing the name of the skill could fix that. Can't think of any fitting Noctis though.
But yeah training Mining Frigate to IV should be the way to unlock Mining Barge, they are cruiser sized Ventures after all.

EDIT:
Perhaps a skill rehaul to put them in-line with racial ships would work?

Frigate III > Industrial
Frigate IV > Barge
Barges IV > Orca
Barges V > Exhumers (which already is the case IIRC?)
Orca V > Rorqual
Exhumers are T2 Barges so whatever
we are missing the BS sized ORE ships so perhaps ORCa could take it's place?
and then we finaly get to Rorqual.
All you would need to do is change the skill multipliers for these to be same as for racial frigates/cruisers/bs/caps(carriers maybe?)

That would make the Industrial pilots more specialized and put those orca crosstrained pvpers and other shenanigans like that in line with the new racial rehaul for destroyers and battlecruisers CCP is planning on.


Orca IV > Rorqual

Especially after coming summers tiericide overhaul.

Capitals will have BS IV as a prerequisite.