Market Discussions

Example: I calculate a Punisher costs 480,000 ISK reasonably speaking to build, and I see them for sale in high-sec for at low at 350,000.

Really, what's the deal with this? Are they trying to help out newbies? If so then I understand it in a way, but a researched frigate BPO was the holy grail for me as an industrial newbie, until I realized that I couldn't turn a profit on the things

It maybe be the aftermath of Retribution where some frigates cost have been increased. And generally speaking T1 items aren't really profitable to make but you can definitely make profit if you research the market enough. Ammos are usually profitable to make.

If you want to make more profit sell ships/ammos/whatever in missions hub, margins are higher usually.

I have met hundreds of players who will tell you, "they get the minerals for free". You can't really compete with that mentality...

Sorry to say, the same mentality happens all the way up through BS and expensive items as well.
Similar pattern for invention items.

Manufacturing is a hard career indeed.

there's a dev blog detailing the change. buildcost jumped by 2-10X as much (the 96% figure, my calculations do not support)
A number of players like myself built TONS of frigates at the old cost. according to the blogs figures, something like 500k were built, at the old price?

Just buy the items if they are under reprocessing cost, melt them, and build new stuff.

First it was mining ships, then it was frigates now its cruisers

dont ask why, just find something else to do and buy out the cheep stuff while the going is good.

P.S.

Free minerals is not about mining free minerals.

Yeah ... right ... and that's why communism worked.

Oh ... wait.

Also consider traders who buy frigates very cheap, using regional orders e.g. 10 ISK each. Once enough ships pile up, they may be sold at any price for a good profit. May be a small segment of the market, with possibly a significant impact on prices.

Buy them, reprocess them, sell the minerals. That will fix it.

If you do not know the answer to this you should not be building anything.

Try reading the developer blogs when they are posted on the launcher.

All mining ships, frigates, destroyers, and cruisers have been reworked under the teiricide plan. Most of these ships have had there mineral requirements increased. Everyone knew about this way in advance and many many manufacturers built large stock piles of these ships before the patch knowing they would be worth much more after. Most of these ships cost 3-5 times as much to build as they used to. the ships currently selling are those stockpiles. those sellers are making 50% profit or more, even though the ships can not be built any longer for those prices.

Battlecruisers will be done in the May expansion. Followed by battleships, T2 and T3.

By the time teiricide is done there will be no ship that can be built at a profit until the stock piles are gone. I expect that to take at least a year.

For example mining ships were done in October, and there are still massive stockpiles of them selling well below current manufacturing costs.

Sorry you missed the boat, unless you are going to build battlecruisers, or battleships in the next two months you will not be able make isk building ships for at least a year.

CCP was so paranoid about the exploits that would have been created doing this any other way, that they decided to just give all new ship manufacturers who missed the opportunity to stock pile these ships a great big C*** in A**, while once again helping the veterans get richer.