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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-01-12 08:00:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Booted from Dreddit? Does that even happen? I mean, outside of spies and awoxers, obviously.
Or supposed spies with their shiny Aeons...

Gevlon Goblin managed it.

Max Doobie may be trying his hardest, but he's a far less efficient troll than Gevlon was, and he's nowhere near as good at choosing targets to annoy.

Edit: I think Xenuria may have been kicked too.

Was Xenuria a spy or awoxer?

It appears he was in Dreddit for all of about 5 hours...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#42 - 2013-01-12 08:04:02 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Was Xenuria a spy or awoxer?

Honestly I have no idea, since I was away at the time. He was pretty damn special, though.
Wandering Eagle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-01-12 08:11:12 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Mhax Arthie wrote:
I think the best corp is the npc corp :D The CEO has no personal ego's, ambitions, rules.. actually he don't give a fok about what you do as long you pay the 11% rate, is why the npc CEO's are the best! Also, the members are very cool, there is a large variety of players from nubs to pro's, brilliant economist up to cold blood killers.. there is always something new to learn :P


How's the UoC ship replacement program?



Pretty much every Big alliance/corp I have ever been in for 4 1/2 years has yet to have a legit SRP. It either favors certain people or clicks or no one at all. Doctrine fit or not in the years of my 0.0 low and anything aside from incursions I and many others have never seen a dime. Now that said I don't undock in something I can't afford to write off. but at the same time using that as a put down is just sad.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-01-12 08:21:44 UTC
Wandering Eagle wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Mhax Arthie wrote:
I think the best corp is the npc corp :D The CEO has no personal ego's, ambitions, rules.. actually he don't give a fok about what you do as long you pay the 11% rate, is why the npc CEO's are the best! Also, the members are very cool, there is a large variety of players from nubs to pro's, brilliant economist up to cold blood killers.. there is always something new to learn :P


How's the UoC ship replacement program?



Pretty much every Big alliance/corp I have ever been in for 4 1/2 years has yet to have a legit SRP. It either favors certain people or clicks or no one at all. Doctrine fit or not in the years of my 0.0 low and anything aside from incursions I and many others have never seen a dime. Now that said I don't undock in something I can't afford to write off. but at the same time using that as a put down is just sad.

You spent almost two years in SMA and you're telling me they didn't have a legit SRP?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-01-12 08:26:08 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
[quote=Zack Korth]
Alliances rising and falling happens all the time in EVE. Knowing and expecting it makes the game a better experience. If you live your EVE life trying to preserve everything, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.


Actually it doesnt make a damned thing. If you observe these alliances rising and falling for a while, you will notice nothing really changes. People and alliance leaders keep doing same things over and over and think that it somehow matters.

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Wandering Eagle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-01-12 08:28:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wandering Eagle wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Mhax Arthie wrote:
I think the best corp is the npc corp :D The CEO has no personal ego's, ambitions, rules.. actually he don't give a fok about what you do as long you pay the 11% rate, is why the npc CEO's are the best! Also, the members are very cool, there is a large variety of players from nubs to pro's, brilliant economist up to cold blood killers.. there is always something new to learn :P


How's the UoC ship replacement program?



Pretty much every Big alliance/corp I have ever been in for 4 1/2 years has yet to have a legit SRP. It either favors certain people or clicks or no one at all. Doctrine fit or not in the years of my 0.0 low and anything aside from incursions I and many others have never seen a dime. Now that said I don't undock in something I can't afford to write off. but at the same time using that as a put down is just sad.

You spent almost two years in SMA and you're telling me they didn't have a legit SRP?


do your research toon was bought I'm not the 1st or even 2nd owner I have other toons mate
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-01-12 09:22:40 UTC
Wandering Eagle wrote:
do your research toon was bought I'm not the 1st or even 2nd owner I have other toons mate

Alright, so what large alliances have you been in that didn't have an SRP?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#48 - 2013-01-12 10:20:45 UTC
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-01-12 12:05:07 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
How's the {University of Caille} ship replacement program?


Anywhere in the galaxy, they have a Velator, fitted, and with a gratuity of tritanium ready for you should you find yourself in a pod.

Seriously, though, you might be surprised how quickly a noob-corp can pool resources when someone is genuinely in need or made an honest mistake and lost their ship. And, we don't insist on you doing things that get your ship blown up in the first place. What the OP is saying should really should be no surprise. The people who leave the noob corp sooner are the ones who a) aren't able to find enjoyment in EVE on their own terms, so they sign up to play on someone elses' or b) want MOAR. The thing about joining a corp too early is that the corp you are joining probably knows exactly what it wants from you. YOU are the one who may struggle to understand what usefulness THEY are to YOU. That can lead to a one-sided relationship with your corporation. Maybe that wouldn't happen so often if certain large corporations and alliances would cease and desist with all the propoganda encouraging new players to "Join a real corp." and "Don't be a pubbie.". It would benefit them, too, since the players that did trickle in would have already learned to stand on their own two feet . . . assuming they want players who can stand on their own.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#50 - 2013-01-12 13:22:13 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
How's the {University of Caille} ship replacement program?


Anywhere in the galaxy, they have a Velator, fitted, and with a gratuity of tritanium ready for you should you find yourself in a pod.

Seriously, though, you might be surprised how quickly a noob-corp can pool resources when someone is genuinely in need or made an honest mistake and lost their ship. And, we don't insist on you doing things that get your ship blown up in the first place. What the OP is saying should really should be no surprise. The people who leave the noob corp sooner are the ones who a) aren't able to find enjoyment in EVE on their own terms, so they sign up to play on someone elses' or b) want MOAR. The thing about joining a corp too early is that the corp you are joining probably knows exactly what it wants from you. YOU are the one who may struggle to understand what usefulness THEY are to YOU. That can lead to a one-sided relationship with your corporation. Maybe that wouldn't happen so often if certain large corporations and alliances would cease and desist with all the propoganda encouraging new players to "Join a real corp." and "Don't be a pubbie.". It would benefit them, too, since the players that did trickle in would have already learned to stand on their own two feet . . . assuming they want players who can stand on their own.


I'm pretty sure the OP wasn't saying that everybody should stay in their noob corp.Ugh The problem with noob corps is that there is no "we". EVE is a multiplayer game, and the most rewarding gameplay content is only available to groups. I'm not trying to tell you how to play your game, but there is no way that you can get organized and work towards bigger goals in a noob corp. They are fine if you just want to run missions, or mine, or haul cargo around, but terrible for everything else. You say, "We don't insist on you doing things that get your ship blown up," and wonder why nobody is on the same page with you. Everything fun that you can do in this game results in you getting your ship blown up from time to time.

I agree with the OP that big alliances are not always the best or the most fun. Why would you want to be another F1-pushing sheep in the flock, when you can define your own (imaginary spaceship) destiny?Shocked

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Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#51 - 2013-01-12 13:49:57 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
the most rewarding gameplay content is only available to groups.


no it isnt
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#52 - 2013-01-12 14:14:52 UTC
Randolph Rothstein wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
the most rewarding gameplay content is only available to groups.


no it isnt

Obviously what constitutes 'rewarding' is subjective but it'd be fair to say that most activities in EVE are more enjoyable with company. It's certainly not as if EVE would make a great singleplayer game.
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#53 - 2013-01-12 14:18:36 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Randolph Rothstein wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
the most rewarding gameplay content is only available to groups.


no it isnt

Obviously what constitutes 'rewarding' is subjective but it'd be fair to say that most activities in EVE are more enjoyable with company. It's certainly not as if EVE would make a great singleplayer game.


if it subjective why do you generalize?
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-01-12 23:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mayhaw Morgan
Haedonism Bot wrote:
I'm pretty sure the OP wasn't saying that everybody should stay in their noob corp.Ugh The problem with noob corps is that there is no "we". EVE is a multiplayer game, and the most rewarding gameplay content is only available to groups. I'm not trying to tell you how to play your game, but there is no way that you can get organized and work towards bigger goals in a noob corp. They are fine if you just want to run missions, or mine, or haul cargo around, but terrible for everything else. You say, "We don't insist on you doing things that get your ship blown up," and wonder why nobody is on the same page with you. Everything fun that you can do in this game results in you getting your ship blown up from time to time.


So, if the noob doesn't rush to join a corporation, and if he's never been in one before, or maybe just not on the character he's currently playing on, where does that leave him? This is the kind of patently stupid reflex response that has been drilled into a lot of players by those who wish to see them shed their individual identity and volition. It reminds me of something a Muslim said about Christians being better than atheists, because 'at least Christians believe in something'. The funny thing is that a lot of corp/alliance players have alts that are noob/NPC corp members (who, BTW, DO sometimes contribute to that noob/NPC corp. Think about THAT.) Those alts aren't restricted from being used to assist their main characters in any substantial way, so you can't have it both ways. Either NPC corp characters can be used to participate in group activities or they can't. Pick one.

As for whether players even WANT to participate in "group activities", whether they find it to be "the most rewarding gameplay content", whether they want to go through the hassle of organizing such a thing, whether they agree that every "fun" activity results in ocassional ship loss . . . all that is a matter of personal opinion and preference. Just logging in is entering into a group activity. Just undocking can result in ship loss . . . hell, just clicking "Accept" on a contract in station can result in ship loss. Not everyone needs other people to be on the same page with them.

Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
It's certainly not as if EVE would make a great singleplayer game.


Not everyone visits New York to mug or be mugged. Some people just sit and drink coffee and watch all the "participators", maybe take a picture if they see someone getting mugged.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#55 - 2013-01-13 03:23:21 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Just logging in is entering into a group activity. Just undocking can result in ship loss . . . hell, just clicking "Accept" on a contract in station can result in ship loss.

Harsh and cold, that's contracts for ya.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-01-13 03:58:04 UTC
Hohoho these npc corp heroes are in for a surprise.

Winter is coming.

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Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-01-13 04:34:22 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wandering Eagle wrote:
do your research toon was bought I'm not the 1st or even 2nd owner I have other toons mate

Alright, so what large alliances have you been in that didn't have an SRP?



Nexus Fleet, Nulli secunda although Nulli might have something but it has to be very specific like logi or sthm... and they are not advertising it at all.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#58 - 2013-01-13 04:37:17 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
tl;dr

If you like blobbing join TEST and CFC.
Otherwise join a smaller lowsec corp.


Eww, who would willingly PvP in lowsec? Too many penalties for having fun.
Toff Lemire
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-01-13 04:42:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Toff Lemire
Null sec it is. Anyone recruiting outrageously handsome Canadians?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-01-13 05:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Toff Lemire wrote:
Null sec it is. Anyone recruiting outrageously handsome Canadians?


Origin, Black Legion.

When I was there they were full of canucks.

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