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Microjump drives and their Disruption

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Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#61 - 2013-01-10 21:10:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Given that the post you're quoting actually has the correct spelling, how on earth did you manage to twice use the same completely wrong one? Unless you think yours is the correct version and you were just too nice to say anything?

It's F R I G A T E


i fail at spelling. (alliance policy is that i am not aloud to use the delete/backspace button.)
so every place i post i make regarding our loved EVEonline i follow the pollicy

DD
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#62 - 2013-01-10 21:16:02 UTC
Dark Drifter wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Given that the post you're quoting actually has the correct spelling, how on earth did you manage to twice use the same completely wrong one? Unless you think yours is the correct version and you were just too nice to say anything?

It's F R I G A T E


i fail at spelling. (alliance policy is that i am not aloud to use the delete/backspace button.)
so every place i post i make regarding our loved EVEonline i follow the pollicy

DD


Fair enough then.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mag's
Azn Empire
#63 - 2013-01-10 23:39:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dark Drifter wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Given that the post you're quoting actually has the correct spelling, how on earth did you manage to twice use the same completely wrong one? Unless you think yours is the correct version and you were just too nice to say anything?

It's F R I G A T E


i fail at spelling. (alliance policy is that i am not aloud to use the delete/backspace button.)
so every place i post i make regarding our loved EVEonline i follow the pollicy

DD


Fair enough then.
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OP, use the right tools for the job.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2013-01-10 23:46:03 UTC
Mag's wrote:
OP, use the right tools for the job.

Frankly at first I thought you were talking about the backspace key.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#65 - 2013-01-10 23:50:50 UTC
Daniel Whateley wrote:
So today i went out to pvp, came across a tempest, had a buddy in system in a moa, i was in my deimos, this guy in the tempest is sitting 60km off gate in the bubbles, well i go over and tackle him with a disruptor, shred his shields, everthings going okay, he starts neuting me, and then managed to web and scram me, keeping my guns online and disruptor with my small nos, my friend comes in with his moa and scrams him, he switches to my friend, eventually he goes pop, and then i'm cheering to myself going he's almost down, he has 10% STRUCTURE left, and then initiates his microjump drive... now i wouldn't normally complain about this such a good fight, but why does a scram work to disrupt them....... and a normal disruptor doesn't, they're not a microwarp drive, why did CCP decide that they would make such an Over-Powered device for battleships for them to escape so quickly, you cant even clear 100km distance with a dramiel before their battleship is able to warp out, i think theres a bit of balancing that needs to take place with microjump drives, perhaps a longer start up timer ? instead of the 12 seconds it is, or maybe make disruptors turn it off aswell as bubbles, you can bubble or even focus disrupt a capital ship but you cant stop a battleship from getting away unless you have 1 type of module ? thats kind of hilariously dumb.

All I see here is "abloobloobloo I don't understand the game anymore abloobloooblooooo I didn't have right tackle ablooblooblooo!"

You're quite welcome for the TL;DR.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#66 - 2013-01-11 09:24:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
I like the MJD, but I don't consider it OP in any way. v0v

Lol It's not really, but it is super cool. Battleships just suck on mobility, so this is a real cool feature/module to have for them.

edit - Just to point out why it's not: It has a very long cooldown timer which effectively makes it usable once per engagement in most cases; it is vulnerable to Scrams, so it is not viable in short range confrontations where those can and will be a factor, with respect to its use for evasion purposes, (it's presence also makes MWDs more vulnerable).

It has a fair long spool up timer, so it is not an instant fire module and gives plenty of warning that it is in use, and opportunity for someone to drop a scram on the ship using it should one be available; it is also only usable on a Battleship and requires significant fitting resources, which limits other fitting options.

It is still awesome, and opens up many other fittings that were never to be considered before. It isn't strictly an evasion module, and can be used to bring ships into battle as well, but fitting limitations make this perhaps unwise to do given the required sacrifices in many cases.
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Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-01-11 09:53:46 UTC
I've used one in Wormhole PvP once or twice, and lived. It is a nice module, and it opens up to new tactics. Baiting, and then leaving. Or Making it look like you're in a long range ship, and then jump over.

II imagine you could use it with smartbombs to catch interceptors? Jump ahead of them, and bomb away.. ;)

I normally have my MJD around if the fight needs the DPS. I consider it more of a module to get me quickly into battle, rather than out of it. Think about it. Land 100km off. Lock your targets while spooling up. Land and instantly shoot, and your outgoing fire will be the first thing people see of you on the battle..

Another nice perk of it, because of its bubble evasion, you can now jump out of POS camps to actually mount some form of defense.


Oh, and if you REALLY want to mess up someones day, Bump them as they are spooling it up. A corpie did this to me, and its hilarious. In PvP, this COULD give you chance to get someone onto them as they are trying to align into a different direction at full speed. That takes longer than normal warp time. If you have a fast enough tackle, and are co-ordinated, you can get them at their new spot.
CCP Falcon
#68 - 2013-01-11 10:29:31 UTC
Sounds to me like that was a very competent Tempest pilot, and you just got outplayed in this instance.

He called his targets well, dropped the tackle from the ship that was preventing him from using the MJD, and bailed out so you couldn't gank him.

The MJD works on the same principle as a MWD. You need a scrambler to deactivate it. It was designed from the ground up like this.

Better luck next time, and good hunting Smile

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Skawl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-01-11 13:54:17 UTC
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Agree.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#70 - 2013-01-11 14:12:21 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Daniel Whateley wrote:
So today i went out to pvp, came across a tempest, had a buddy in system in a moa, i was in my deimos, this guy in the tempest is sitting 60km off gate in the bubbles, well i go over and tackle him with a disruptor, shred his shields, everthings going okay, he starts neuting me, and then managed to web and scram me, keeping my guns online and disruptor with my small nos, my friend comes in with his moa and scrams him, he switches to my friend, eventually he goes pop, and then i'm cheering to myself going he's almost down, he has 10% STRUCTURE left, and then initiates his microjump drive... now i wouldn't normally complain about this such a good fight, but why does a scram work to disrupt them....... and a normal disruptor doesn't, they're not a microwarp drive, why did CCP decide that they would make such an Over-Powered device for battleships for them to escape so quickly, you cant even clear 100km distance with a dramiel before their battleship is able to warp out, i think theres a bit of balancing that needs to take place with microjump drives, perhaps a longer start up timer ? instead of the 12 seconds it is, or maybe make disruptors turn it off aswell as bubbles, you can bubble or even focus disrupt a capital ship but you cant stop a battleship from getting away unless you have 1 type of module ? thats kind of hilariously dumb.

All I see here is "abloobloobloo I don't understand the game anymore abloobloooblooooo I didn't have right tackle ablooblooblooo!"

You're quite welcome for the TL;DR.


Bear in mind we're talking about someone who thinks that Spike L is the only ammo worth using in a Rail-fit Naga and CN Antimatter L doesn't do much DPS.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#71 - 2013-01-11 16:11:13 UTC
Daniel Whateley wrote:
A few colorful replies, and yes it was a disruptor 35km blaster deimos doing 600dps, if i had overloaded 2 seconds earlier he'd of prolly popped, if my friend wasn't dumb and running from him isntead of maintaining orbit we'd of also killed him, the situation still stands though


The situation is, and was, that scrams are better at disabling prop mods than disruptors are. Range comes with a price.

Daniel Whateley wrote:
why dont they have a certain cap need like standard jump drives then?


Have you ever tried to fit an MJD? Or even compared their fitting requirements? They already come with a cost.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#72 - 2013-01-11 17:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Malcanis wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Daniel Whateley wrote:
So today i went out to pvp, came across a tempest, had a buddy in system in a moa, i was in my deimos, this guy in the tempest is sitting 60km off gate in the bubbles, well i go over and tackle him with a disruptor, shred his shields, everthings going okay, he starts neuting me, and then managed to web and scram me, keeping my guns online and disruptor with my small nos, my friend comes in with his moa and scrams him, he switches to my friend, eventually he goes pop, and then i'm cheering to myself going he's almost down, he has 10% STRUCTURE left, and then initiates his microjump drive... now i wouldn't normally complain about this such a good fight, but why does a scram work to disrupt them....... and a normal disruptor doesn't, they're not a microwarp drive, why did CCP decide that they would make such an Over-Powered device for battleships for them to escape so quickly, you cant even clear 100km distance with a dramiel before their battleship is able to warp out, i think theres a bit of balancing that needs to take place with microjump drives, perhaps a longer start up timer ? instead of the 12 seconds it is, or maybe make disruptors turn it off aswell as bubbles, you can bubble or even focus disrupt a capital ship but you cant stop a battleship from getting away unless you have 1 type of module ? thats kind of hilariously dumb.

All I see here is "abloobloobloo I don't understand the game anymore abloobloooblooooo I didn't have right tackle ablooblooblooo!"

You're quite welcome for the TL;DR.


Bear in mind we're talking about someone who thinks that Spike L is the only ammo worth using in a Rail-fit Naga and CN Antimatter L doesn't do much DPS.

We've been dunking on him in MJD battleships on-and-off for a while now. His last two losses have my name on them. He's likely this mad due to those losses, as opposed to this anecdote. Which, if you think about it, goes back to failure to understand the fundamental game mechanics and his utter willingness to come here and cry to the devs about the MJD.

FA calls it a skirmish doctrine. Our pilots call it: TOP GUN.

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-01-11 17:37:49 UTC
This thread is golden.

Thanks for posting OP. It was a pleasure finding your blowed up hulls on our kb.

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Melissa Steiner-Wolf
Bravely Enervated Ethanol Ranchers
#74 - 2013-01-11 18:12:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Melissa Steiner-Wolf
Daniel Whateley wrote:
So today i went out to pvp, came across a tempest, had a buddy in system in a moa, i was in my deimos, this guy in the tempest is sitting 60km off gate in the bubbles, well i go over and tackle him with a disruptor, shred his shields, everthings going okay, he starts neuting me, and then managed to web and scram me, keeping my guns online and disruptor with my small nos, my friend comes in with his moa and scrams him, he switches to my friend, eventually he goes pop, and then i'm cheering to myself going he's almost down, he has 10% STRUCTURE left, and then initiates his microjump drive... now i wouldn't normally complain about this such a good fight, but why does a scram work to disrupt them....... and a normal disruptor doesn't, they're not a microwarp drive, why did CCP decide that they would make such an Over-Powered device for battleships for them to escape so quickly, you cant even clear 100km distance with a dramiel before their battleship is able to warp out, i think theres a bit of balancing that needs to take place with microjump drives, perhaps a longer start up timer ? instead of the 12 seconds it is, or maybe make disruptors turn it off aswell as bubbles, you can bubble or even focus disrupt a capital ship but you cant stop a battleship from getting away unless you have 1 type of module ? thats kind of hilariously dumb.


What did the FA-Gits call it?


GOOSE????? JOKER?????
Lebowski2
NaCl For Sale
#75 - 2013-01-11 18:14:23 UTC
Never not TOP GUN.
Melissa Steiner-Wolf
Bravely Enervated Ethanol Ranchers
#76 - 2013-01-11 18:15:59 UTC
Lebowski2 wrote:
Never not TOP GUN.



Lebo you wish you were Topgun, you're more like Top Model.
Novalotus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-01-11 18:16:24 UTC
Never not TOP GUN.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#78 - 2013-01-11 18:19:21 UTC
Novalotus wrote:
Never not TOP GUN.

To not empty quote this I'll just let the cat out of the bag.

Our TOP GUN program has been remarkably successful in harvesting tears.

See also: This thread.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Raafee
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2013-01-11 18:23:23 UTC
Never not TOP GUN
Backinblack3333
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-01-11 18:24:57 UTC
Never not TOP GUN