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AFK Plex runners > removing WCS

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jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-11 12:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Not my idea - this guys < Takanuro >, but please CCP take note.


Takanuro wrote:
Someone wrote:
Good Sir;

Just fit 2 warp core stabs and run if you get into trouble. You don't need a corp or fleet.
You can solo small plex's in a t1 rifter with 2wcs, thats as much as you will ever need.

your humble servent
SamDog


This just gave me a good idea. When you go to a Plex gate with a shuttle or n00b ship it says something like 'This gate is not configured to accept...." and doesn't let you in.

Maybe WCS should also cause some kind of disruption to the Plex acceleration gates that means you can't activate them. In keeping with the reason enter said plexes and I'm sure someone get make it make sense from a warp theory point of view( I hope lol)






Appreciate this doesnt deal directly with the silly mining frigate thingy but its a start and would be easily adaptable. Easy to implement and I I cant immediately see any unintended consequences.

AFK/semi-afk plexxing needs tackling (heheheheheh)
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#2 - 2013-01-11 12:49:25 UTC
Finally a good reason to buy/trade a faction scram... it has 3 points.
ahktallid
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-01-11 12:51:53 UTC
+1 stabbed ships in plexxes are a joke.
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
#4 - 2013-01-11 13:02:25 UTC
I think they should also make it so that if you have WCS equipped then when you get scrambled if they don't have enough strength to hold you there then your MWD stays on as well.

Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought.

Othran
Route One
#5 - 2013-01-11 13:08:43 UTC
Better off just removing the ability to lock a target if you have a WCS fitted.

That shouldn't just apply in FW either.

Would make the tech2 version pointless but I don't much care Smile
Slade Antonius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#6 - 2013-01-11 13:17:27 UTC
Either this or don't allow stabs to function within the plex. We can't warp to fleetmates when they are fighting >150 km from the button or even the acceleration gate so there is precedent for disabling a basic ship function within the instances. Same could apply to stabs.

Sure the farmers will still run but at least if you happen to catch one or they actually commit to a fight, they won't be able to hit the escape button without getting themselves out of scram or point range by their own effort/skill.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-01-11 14:07:24 UTC
Or they could do what they intended, kill off the farmers, by making the rats more than they are .. a simple T2 PvP fitted Punisher solo AFK ( almost) plexes up to and including mediums. They got rid of the gunless for the most part, big whoop, problem of farming however persists.

Wish someone with decision making privileges would try out FW in earnest .. kind of ridiculous that sheer numbers (ie. alts) get to determine almost everything associated with FW.
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-01-11 14:15:48 UTC
When jjohn docks his OGB fleet it would make sense Roll


Add to the list:

Use of Cloaks & reset of timer on warp out Twisted

jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-11 14:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Not fussed about cloaks - keeps it spicy, but agree with timers. This thread is about removing the legion (hehe) of stabbed semi afk plexxers. Start another thread on cloaks if its an issue for you Gunny. Or OGB, i dont think anyones ever mentioned them before.

AFK Plexxer alts bring no pew, they bring nothing to FW, they make a mockery of the contestation system that ZZP have worked so hard to bring. They should go. I cant see a reasonable argument against this.

Again - this isnt my idea, this was brought up by 'Takanuro' in another thread. Its a great idea.
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-01-11 14:34:41 UTC
I mention cloaks since this will be the next trick, to simply cloak on hostile warp in.

on the subject of no pvp we should also get rid of Stealth Bombers that only do lvl 4 missions.

I also mention OGB since I know you are a great fan and why not when it makes your Wolf tackle @ 36km and Web @ 15... in that case the only def for the "poor" plexer is to fit WCS and warp out.
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-11 14:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Too be honest Gunny you are only showing yourself up thinking a nano wolf can fit propulsion, a point, and a web in the first place.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wolf

I have no issue with cloakers because you only cloak if you intend to bring a fight, or maybe you try and use your cloaky griffin as a get out of jail and then forget that cloaking means you cant immediately lock and then you die.

Am sure we can 5hit up any one of a billion other OGB/FW/Mission running threads. AFK Plexxers impact all of us that are (lol) ''serious'' about pew-pew and FW. if you can find it in your heart to leave this one on topic that would be ace. Start some other threads if you have issues with other things, its very easy to do so.....

o/
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2013-01-11 14:54:54 UTC
Gunship wrote:
...on the subject of no pvp we should also get rid of Stealth Bombers that only do lvl 4 missions...

1. Poison pills in all missions. Either stay and fight for your right or lose standings when mission is forcibly closed .. would make bombers obsolete overnight.
2. Missions to hostile held space only. None of that silly "originally held" space if you please, would act as a balancing factor when two sides are mismatched as a snowball gets insane LP per mission but it can spawn in a very few select systems thus increasing risk many-fold.

PS: OGB is already standing in line to get a ticket for the DoDo-resort so I for one will tough it out until the bus leaves the station.
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-01-11 16:22:44 UTC
jjohnpaul xvii wrote:

Am sure we can 5hit up any one of a billion other OGB/FW/Mission running threads. AFK Plexxers impact all of us that are (lol) ''serious'' about pew-pew and FW. if you can find it in your heart to leave this one on topic that would be ace. Start some other threads if you have issues with other things, its very easy to do so.....


OK so you just have a scrambler at 36km and move at 6km/s in a Wolf "poor you". (I'm sure you manage without the web *sigh*)

What I am saying is that you can't have one without the other, mentioning related FW issues surely is needed to make a good fix. An unrelated item would be "a mining laser" as an example.

Your OGB is totally related to WCS in plexes in a FW scenario. If you can't see that practically being able to lock a target as soon as you land (assuming the target is within the countdown timer) is not a huge advantage you're just dense on purpose.

So for the billion and 1 time:

WCS in FW plexes needs to die
OGB in FW and in general needs to die
FW Mission running SB's needs to die
Cloaking in FW plexes also needs to die.

I'm not serious about PvP just hopeless addicted.



Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2013-01-11 16:47:18 UTC
make NPC rats actually kill people that are running the plex if the plex runner doesn't kill them. Remove the faction hit for killing FW npcs, because some of us aren't exactly married to being in fw forever.

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Dzajic
#15 - 2013-01-11 16:51:02 UTC
If you remove SB capability to do L4 missions no one will do L4 FW missions and you'd just get more farmers in plexes. Taking a PVE fit BC or BS or HAC across a dozen jumps of lowsec to a visible to all beacon while exposed to tons of NPC ewar is not going to happen.
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-01-11 17:02:16 UTC  |  Edited by: SeaSaw
Good sirs;

The easiest thing to do, would be to change your standard fit to 2 points, or--hunt in pairs. I know that is a stretch. Still some players realize that if they are going after wcs ships they need to change their tactics.

So here is a rather long and complicated but helpfull list of how to get stabbed players:


One: remember you can't use your usual fit.

The really scarry thing is with a new fit you might run into pirates who have no stabbs -- and then even with an OGB boost you may be dead. I know it is a scary thought.

your humble servent
SeaSaw
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-11 17:28:36 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Gunship > No im sorry Gunny - but i cant see anything related with the original post at the top of the page and OGB except that they exist in the same game.

Its a post about a very simple way to decrease AFK plexxers/farmers chances of getting caught. Re-read it. Hopefully a mod will remove your drivel, Also, You cant post pure unadulterated three mid slot wolf crap then *sigh* when your called on it. Also-also, for the second time, you cant Scram to 36k in a wolf. Also-also-also Stop poo poasting. You need to send a corp mail on this because its becoming endemic.

Batelle - agree 100% they should do that. This change doesnt stop them though. Its fairly quick, cant see any unintended consequences.


Seasaw:

Dear Sir,

Old hat,

Your humble servant
Me.x
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-01-11 17:32:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
SeaSaw wrote:
...One: remember you can't use your usual fit.....SeaSaw

Which is all well and fine, most of us mix it up to keep it fresh and get those oh so valuable seconds of advantage against opponents .. but claiming that the answer to this particular issue is gimping fits to hold/kill farming alts that have less worth (LP+Drop) than what is fitted in ones highslots is outright stupidity .. as far as I am concerned, they can cram all the WCS onto their ships they like but then they should have zero impact on anything (ie. no VP/LP)

It is right up there along with blobs being the counter to blobs, getting ones own booster alt to counter booster alts et al. .. imagine where Eve would be if you and your ilk had their way, if no development or improvement was made as long as a "work around" existed.

That is the only really scary thing I got from your post.
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-01-11 17:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: SeaSaw
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
SeaSaw wrote:
...One: remember you can't use your usual fit.....SeaSaw

Which is all well and fine, most of us mix it up to keep it fresh and get those oh so valuable seconds of advantage against opponents .. but claiming that the answer to this particular issue is gimping fits to hold/kill farming alts that have less worth (LP+Drop) than what is fitted in ones highslots is outright stupidity .. as far as I am concerned, they can cram all the WCS onto their ships they like but then they should have zero impact on anything (ie. no VP/LP)

It is right up there along with blobs being the counter to blobs, getting ones own booster alt to counter booster alts et al. .. imagine where Eve would be if you and your ilk had their way, if no development or improvement was made as long as a "work around" existed.

That is the only really scary thing I got from your post.


Good Veshta;

I think we have a special case here--these guys know they are after wcs plexers, and they know where to find them and they know how they are fit. It should be as simple as fitting your ship to kill a certain kind of NPC rat.

your humble servent
SeaSaw
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#20 - 2013-01-11 18:32:09 UTC
Please make the button instantly target everyone who enters the plex - plex farmers who cloak when you enter are also a joke.

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