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Is 1v1 dead nowadays or is it just to hard to find good fights !?!
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ROXGenghis
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-01-11 13:18:28 UTC
There are still quite a few pilots who do not get their rocks off by gangbanging a hapless solo pilot. The trick is to find and remember like-minded pilots in your area (or sometimes like-minded corporations) who prefer the uncertainty of a gf to a gank. I've got a pretty crappy memory to do this myself, but I know lots of guys who will say "nope, not gonna engage xxx because he's usually boosted and/or baiting." Or "yyy is in the plex and usually gives a gf, so I'm going in alone...the rest of fleet stay back please."

This is even easier when explicitly asking for 1v1s. Some corps will 95% of the time honor 1v1 requests after agreeing to them (the 5% is usually due to unfortunate miscommunications). It's pretty easy to identify and remember who those corps are.

The problem of course is time...it can take a long time to find a reliable 1v1. Many people aren't willing to put in this time (and I can't blame them) so ganks are still by far the most prevalent form of PVP.
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-01-11 13:28:16 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Use your brains to separate targets by warping to celestials at ranges or using aggression, or ask for 1v1s, or join RvB or go fight the Tuskers or get a 1v1 buddy or whatever..... but don't come here bawling because your too blimming lazy and want it all on a pony shaped plate. a) Your not Noobs b) Your in lo-sec. c) This is EVE.

EDIT > I honestly cant believe im giving you this on your pony plate yet again (am kicking myself over reinforcing your lazy attitudes, and I am going to start charging your corp for this service shortly.) but here you go:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150207
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy_zBq-e-lI

You may never have heard of this but this could be mind blowing for you: www.google.com
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#23 - 2013-01-11 13:29:08 UTC
SeaSaw wrote:
Good CaptainTr1cky;

I have to agree, I run from most fights too. Someone in a Daredevil in a Novice plex should expect my Merlin to run--I don't know why they bother. Then there are the OGB hookbill guys who move so fast it is obvious. If you really want solo fights in FW you should wander around alone in a t1 ship and try not to make the boosts too obvious.

Then again I cheat some too--I know what ships I can jam pretty easily (executioner, condor, rifter etc)--and so I wont run right away, since I can jam and dash later.

Having said that, I don't think I have killed anybody in a month--but I have had alot of fights.

your humble servent
SeaSaw


OH HAI Seasaw!

To answer your question
Quote:

'Someone in a Daredevil in a Novice plex should expect my Merlin to run--I don't know why they bother.'


That would be because in the areas I see you, you choose to plex systems were its plainly obvious we are boosted so we can aggressively defend those systems. If you found me out of my home systems I am never boosted, nor are my friends 95% of the time.

So we bother because you are attacking our systems by plexing them. Simple. If I could get an arty cyn into a novice to shoot your WCS merlin in those systems I would, but I can't.

You may also find that if you fit a PVP fit with a warp disrupter to your merlin you may actually get some fights. Instead, you fit to farm and only farm, hoping we do not harass you because we get bored. Well, I don't get bored chasing farmers. Ever. It's one of my fave passtimes while not busy and I'll happily chase someone system after system just to shut them down while I'm station trading on my alt.

See you soon seasaw :D

Regarding the OP.

There are 1v1's all over the place in faction warfare but as people have said. Try not to fight in the key systems. All militias blob and in key systems you will be blobbed or attacked by ships boosted up the wazzoo or both. After a while you'll soon get to the stage you get confident fighting more than one person.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#24 - 2013-01-11 13:42:32 UTC
The trick, at least IMHO, is to bring something to the fight that the enemy underestimates and won't run from. Is there an enemy Thrasher running a medium in your system? You can up ship and watch him run or call friends and the same. Or you can take him on in your Tristan knowing his DPS is crap after 6km and the AB, web, scram and 7.5k EHP will insure that your little Tristan survives long enough to get to 8km kite range. (Just barely with 6% structure left but a win is a win Blink)

If you understand the mechanics well enough you can pull off some great wins.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#25 - 2013-01-11 13:47:03 UTC
Oh man I love that feeling. Will I make the 8km mark before I go pop to this ac thrasher?

Another feeling I like is when flying a kiting MWD frig into a novice with 2 wt's in brawlers camping the warp in. Can you get your mwd on and pick up enough speed to coast out of mwd/web range before you are locked down. Adrenaline rush for the few brief seconds that you hope you ISP is on form :P
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-01-11 13:53:58 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Couldn't agree more with you Christine/Zarnak - but you guys might as well be playing a completely different game to the OP and Dan and a large chunk of (non-noob) players who are too lazy/stoopid to put some time and effort into learning or trying.



WAAAH I SIT IN MY PLEX AND NO GET MY FIGHT EXACTLY HOW I WANT WAAAH THIS GAME IS BAD WAAH PERSON X IS DOING THIS TO ME WAAAH IM GONNA GO BACK TO PLEX AND REPEAT EXACT SAME THING.




WE CHOSE GOLD FLEET BRUVA COS 5 OF US COULDNT CONISTIANTLY SPELL ''GREEN''.
CaptainTr1cky
Dividing by Z3r0
#27 - 2013-01-11 14:49:04 UTC
jjohnpaul xvii wrote:
Couldn't agree more with you Christine/Zarnak - but you guys might as well be playing a completely different game to the OP and Dan and a large chunk of (non-noob) players who are too lazy/stoopid to put some time and effort into learning or trying.



WAAAH I SIT IN MY PLEX AND NO GET MY FIGHT EXACTLY HOW I WANT WAAAH THIS GAME IS BAD WAAH PERSON X IS DOING THIS TO ME WAAAH IM GONNA GO BACK TO PLEX AND REPEAT EXACT SAME THING.




WE CHOSE GOLD FLEET BRUVA COS 5 OF US COULDNT CONISTIANTLY SPELL ''GREEN''.



you are a joke , sadly , and while i do apreciate you share your thoughts in this thread i highly doubt i'l ever follow some that are coming from a player who's 24/7 boosted by 2-3 alts thats going 8k m/s in a wolf sniping from 50 km and scraming from 40 .. please ... if that is your ideea if having a 1v1 then u really are ( what u personaly said towards us ) not using more then 0.2% of your brain .

You very well may be a good player and a good pvp'er , i don't doubt that , but u cannot expect us to come out and play with you when you are so pumped up to that level not to mention expecting 10+ more like u to pop in our fight .. so no thanks .

I'm not lazy , i'm not dumb , those links u posted are not new to me , i don't sit in a plex w8ing for x fight as my only tactic .. and i sure as hell won't start a 1v1 in kourmonen where all " elite pvpers " are boosted by 5 loki's ... so say what u want , your arguments are useless till u come and fight us like we try to fight you or your faction members .


But hey , thanks again for posting your rage to my " whining " thread
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#28 - 2013-01-11 15:08:00 UTC
There are ways to engage when outnumbered, instead of getting upset about it, try countering it. Change up your tactics and fits.


nom nom
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#29 - 2013-01-11 15:17:42 UTC
CaptainTr1cky wrote:

Every time i sit my ass in a plex i have my mind set to 2 priorities .. 1 getting a fight and 2 if fights don't come atleast i do my faction good and make some money on the side , but every time i see people on short scan on the gate they are either in ships that could be a balanced fight but they end up leaving cause , and i quote ( not actually copy paste since i didint copy it at the time ) " i don't feel like puttin my ship at risk right now " so they leave ..... that or they bring 3-4 ships to challenge me which obviously 90% of the time i got no chance if they are able pilots and bring the right ships .

Now i can understand the concept of ganking a person , u do it i do it we all do it cause its eve .. but lets be honest .. who in his right mind will stay in that plex to get ganked by several ships , u must be dumwhited and not warp of to a safe .

So my question is , if people want a fight and not just simply humiliate ( or try ) they're opponent , then why not try to be a good target , one that will make your enemy think hmm yea that might work lets give it a shot !

No offence to the minmatars i'm sure my amarr colegues do the same but rly .. u guys either bring 20 vs 1 or u bring something that most definitly has the greatest advantage and the enemy has no chance ( like say u have your booster in the system , obv ) U guys are at t3/t4 u make alot of isk and u can't put a rifter/slasher or a thrasher on the line ?

One time i was in a cruiser and 3 dessies showed up at the gate .. naturaly i was polite and told em yes please come in .. they left cause well ... apparently a t1 cruiser was to much for 3 destroyers ....

Few minmatars really do give good fights and i apreciate em for that ... or maybe i'm just not lookin in the right place .


Tell me i'm wrong and call me a noob , thats just how i see it



Welcome to eve. The developers think all pvp is the same whether it is ganks or good fights. They just count killmails. So either give up on eve or be prepared to waste allot of your life waiting for good fights. CCP views all pvp like hunting where you wait around for hours and hours and every now and then get to shoot a deer. If that is not your thing then eve really doesn't offer anything for you.

Obvious ideas that would bring about more frequent quality pvp in faction war were ignored by ccp when they revamped faction war. It simply was not and is not a priority. They are now moving on to null sec issues where good fights will have no importance.
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-01-11 15:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Re-read your own post, re-phrase whatever point it is that you feel you are making that isnt being addressed and ill gladly spank that in to next week as well Private Tr1cky.

FYI > You started the thread whining about not getting fair fights/being blobbed etc?

If you dont want opinions and or some help, can i suggest you keep this kind of full text RP vomitting to your own corp forums?

Here is your own post again:

CaptainTr1cky wrote:

Every time i sit my ass in a plex i have my mind set to 2 priorities .. 1 getting a fight and 2 if fights don't come atleast i do my faction good and make some money on the side , but every time i see people on short scan on the gate they are either in ships that could be a balanced fight but they end up leaving cause , and i quote ( not actually copy paste since i didint copy it at the time ) " i don't feel like puttin my ship at risk right now " so they leave ..... that or they bring 3-4 ships to challenge me which obviously 90% of the time i got no chance if they are able pilots and bring the right ships .

Now i can understand the concept of ganking a person , u do it i do it we all do it cause its eve .. but lets be honest .. who in his right mind will stay in that plex to get ganked by several ships , u must be dumwhited and not warp of to a safe .

So my question is , if people want a fight and not just simply humiliate ( or try ) they're opponent , then why not try to be a good target , one that will make your enemy think hmm yea that might work lets give it a shot !

No offence to the minmatars i'm sure my amarr colegues do the same but rly .. u guys either bring 20 vs 1 or u bring something that most definitly has the greatest advantage and the enemy has no chance ( like say u have your booster in the system , obv ) U guys are at t3/t4 u make alot of isk and u can't put a rifter/slasher or a thrasher on the line ?

One time i was in a cruiser and 3 dessies showed up at the gate .. naturaly i was polite and told em yes please come in .. they left cause well ... apparently a t1 cruiser was to much for 3 destroyers ....

Few minmatars really do give good fights and i apreciate em for that ... or maybe i'm just not lookin in the right place .


Tell me i'm wrong and call me a noob , thats just how i see it


Edit > Theres yet another ''we have no good fights'' whiner above this post. This is a common theme amongst stoopid people and its absolutely inexcusable. It makes my stool itch.
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#31 - 2013-01-11 15:26:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ground ctrl
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
The trick, at least IMHO, is to bring something to the fight that the enemy underestimates and won't run from. Is there an enemy Thrasher running a medium in your system? You can up ship and watch him run or call friends and the same. Or you can take him on in your Tristan knowing his DPS is crap after 6km and the AB, web, scram and 7.5k EHP will insure that your little Tristan survives long enough to get to 8km kite range. (Just barely with 6% structure left but a win is a win Blink)

If you understand the mechanics well enough you can pull off some great wins.



This is of course true, but even flying around in a t1 frigate you will often have nights where you spend 2 hours "roaming around" and get nothing. Yes sometimes you will get several fights in a hour and that is great. It would be great if ccp did the obvious mechanics changes that would make that happen more often, but they dont. So really very little of your time will be spent in good fights in eve allot more of your time will be wasted on much more boring stuff like "roaming" and "hunting."

-Cearain's alt
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#32 - 2013-01-11 15:29:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ground ctrl
jjohnpaul xvii wrote:
...Edit > Theres yet another ''we have no good fights'' whiner above this post. This is a common theme amongst stoopid people and its absolutely inexcusable. It makes my stool itch.



Just giving this guy some truth in advertising. Some people think its great if you get 1 or 2 good fights in 2 hours time. You can average that in faction war. But you will also have a few nights where you spend your 2 hours of free time and no good fights happen.


-Cearain's alt

Edit: BTW: 1-2 good fights in 2 hours is not cutting it for me. I think fw should have 4-7 good fights in 2 hours. If this player thinks that will happen he is simply mistaken. CCP has decided not to do the things that would allow that.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-01-11 15:41:51 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
SeaSaw wrote:
Good CaptainTr1cky;

I have to agree, I run from most fights too. Someone in a Daredevil in a Novice plex should expect my Merlin to run--I don't know why they bother. Then there are the OGB hookbill guys who move so fast it is obvious. If you really want solo fights in FW you should wander around alone in a t1 ship and try not to make the boosts too obvious.

Then again I cheat some too--I know what ships I can jam pretty easily (executioner, condor, rifter etc)--and so I wont run right away, since I can jam and dash later.

Having said that, I don't think I have killed anybody in a month--but I have had alot of fights.

your humble servent
SeaSaw


OH HAI Seasaw!

To answer your question
Quote:

'Someone in a Daredevil in a Novice plex should expect my Merlin to run--I don't know why they bother.'


That would be because in the areas I see you, you choose to plex systems were its plainly obvious we are boosted so we can aggressively defend those systems. If you found me out of my home systems I am never boosted, nor are my friends 95% of the time.

So we bother because you are attacking our systems by plexing them. Simple. If I could get an arty cyn into a novice to shoot your WCS merlin in those systems I would, but I can't.

You may also find that if you fit a PVP fit with a warp disrupter to your merlin you may actually get some fights. Instead, you fit to farm and only farm, hoping we do not harass you because we get bored. Well, I don't get bored chasing farmers. Ever. It's one of my fave passtimes while not busy and I'll happily chase someone system after system just to shut them down while I'm station trading on my alt.

See you soon seasaw :D

Regarding the OP.

There are 1v1's all over the place in faction warfare but as people have said. Try not to fight in the key systems. All militias blob and in key systems you will be blobbed or attacked by ships boosted up the wazzoo or both. After a while you'll soon get to the stage you get confident fighting more than one person.





Boosted daredevil meets blob <3

http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15851639

Please discount my breacher that went welp.

:3

Also Hi Christine

We kept shipping wrong that night though, we were overshipped, the undershipped and our undershipped fleet was to much for the other targets about. Still this devil made up for it.
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-01-11 15:56:03 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
This argument has been had before Cearain (i think with X-Gal). Personally i don't think you are aggressive enough, and/or have enough reships available. Two of the top 10 recent players on the BC Kill board are FW players so i just don't accept your argument. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/ Look at players like Saly Va and (hate saying this) Voody Voodoo from your side and then tell me there isnt opportunity for pew.

There is a plethora of pew out there if you know how to find it and vary your tactics accordingly. IMHO you could easily get double or triple that number of fights. Its not the opportunity that is missing its the methods you are applying.


People like Private Tr1cky and others complain about blob in the same sentence as complaining about having no opportunity to PvP. The wasted irony is that the Blob is a metric tonne of PVP thats actually coming looking for you!

This is not ''leet PVPz'' only open to a select few special chosen pilots. This is no private club for Ice man and Goose. Its not even a private club for the likes of Hollywood and Wolfman. Any one can do this. There are resources out there, there are courses out there, there are videos and forum posts out there, there are fits. Short of some guy coming round to these people houses, logging in and actually clicking in space for them its all spelt out how to do.

Its accessible, its fricking awesome, and like all rewarding things > it just needs some forethought, some learning, some application and some practice.
Merely Runaway
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-01-11 16:24:11 UTC
CaptainTr1cky wrote:
you are a joke , sadly , and while i do apreciate you share your thoughts in this thread i highly doubt i'l ever follow some that are coming from a player who's 24/7 boosted by 2-3 alts thats going 8k m/s in a wolf sniping from 50 km and scraming from 40 .. please ... if that is your ideea if having a 1v1 then u really are ( what u personaly said towards us ) not using more then 0.2% of your brain .

You very well may be a good player and a good pvp'er , i don't doubt that , but u cannot expect us to come out and play with you when you are so pumped up to that level not to mention expecting 10+ more like u to pop in our fight .. so no thanks .

I'm not lazy , i'm not dumb , those links u posted are not new to me , i don't sit in a plex w8ing for x fight as my only tactic .. and i sure as hell won't start a 1v1 in kourmonen where all " elite pvpers " are boosted by 5 loki's ... so say what u want , your arguments are useless till u come and fight us like we try to fight you or your faction members .


But hey , thanks again for posting your rage to my " whining " thread


http://rust-in-pieces.org/kills/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=22282

Is this the "boosted" wolf you're talking about?
Because I highly doubt you'd last long in that slasher fit vs a wolf whether your opponent was boosted or not.
Perhaps you're just not taking the right fights?
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2013-01-11 16:43:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
jjohnpaul xvii wrote:
.....

Guessing Saly uses a booster as well, pretty sure Wood does .. or he did way back when at any rate.

Blobs being take-away PvP is oddly enough also dependent on access to the much famed/vaunted/hated booster otherwise you need to be either stupidly good (person does not exist) or be in a larger ship specifically designed to kill the ships in said blob ..

So, for people who do not enjoy gimmick fits and/or do not have a booster available 23/7, where is this PvP smorgasbord .. number of solo/duo engagement has dwindled dramatically the last few years and while Eve is not a solo game, the supposed undock-n-fight nature of FW is reduced to 'blob-this!' when boosted gangs are the norm .. doesn't help that the epic fights are dependent on reship capability (docking) which in turn are held in a vice by plexing largely conducted by alts in frigs (read: Interconnectedness of FW that CCP wilfully ignores!)

When one has time/inclination to get into a proper gang however .. Wheeeeeeeee!. That is the one thing I miss, but should get it once RL settles down so happiness (and by extension: positivity) may well make a return in my life.

In short: If fun is to be had by all and not just whomever happens to be on top then equal opportunity must exist, that should be the/our overall goal.

PS: Also. Holy FiS spam batman, thought it was bad before I went on hiatus .. way too much LP floating around for the low-cost fun'n'games FW grew up with.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-01-11 16:44:33 UTC
Lol, thats a gatecamp whoring slasher, if it has td's it could be a threat to single wolf.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#38 - 2013-01-11 16:47:24 UTC
Thing number 1. 2. and 3. in the art of getting a fight is making your potential target think they can take you on.


Be that with trickery like pretending to run away or simply using underrated ships. (I don't think many expect a armor slasher to **** a taranis for example)


Its all about finding situations where they think they have the upper hand, and proving them wrong.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2013-01-11 16:49:51 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Lol, thats a gatecamp whoring slasher, if it has td's it could be a threat to single wolf.



The wolf will still outdps/tank it as long it has barrage.. I tried <.<

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-01-11 17:01:03 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Bah forums ate my post.

See you peeps in space

o7