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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#181 - 2013-01-11 12:42:13 UTC
We are still waiting on a devblog that should be out very soon.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#182 - 2013-01-11 18:55:09 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Drugs you are smoking, can I haz?


Sure, will drop them off to you next time I'm online. Customs prohibits contract transfer.

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Okay great, it wasn't a surprise to you or CCP. I buy that. But still the two-day notice comment, from me - a player - gets you to say, "huh?" Or are you confused in thinking I am CSM None ofthe Above or CCP None ofthe Above? (And I never said "open beta" but I suspect that wasn't aimed at me. Actually a good portion of this reply is a non-sequitur to my comments, but that's fine. I get that you turned from a reply to me, to speaking to the community at large somewhere in there.)


It seemed at first that you were implying the CSM knew that this was going to have two days notice, and it caught me off guard because none of us had ever mentioned "two days" before. We knew the beta would be deployed in January (and had a date) but didn't know they'd wait till two days before to begin public messaging. And you're absolutely right, its impossible to completely put myself outside of the position I'm in after youv'e been doing this for 9 months, and I'm honestly trying to keep you guys informed as much as possible. You had no way of knowing that you'd only have two days notice and I completely see why that would be frustrating.

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I think you do a great job, but am sometimes having a difficult time following your twisty logic of late. On the economics thing you appeared to do a 180, and this time you don't seem to be able to see beyond your perspective to how us non-privileged players would see things. Maybe just a few minutes proofing your posts and thinking about how it would read to someone else would be time well spent.


I dunno what else to say here, I've been pretty clear the entire time that I was describing his current role in the company, and how he approaches his own work. You and I are free to agree or disagree with that description, but it doesnt change the fact that he still serves a particular role within the company. Somewhere along the line, you mistook my objective description as tacit endorsement (and are now suggesting I switched positions), but I've made this distinction clear from the very beginning. Its perfectly reasonable and normal to describe something that exists without arguing it has to stay that way. Roll

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Looking forward to Poe's next Hans bashing blog about how "we" now means CSM and CCP, to Hans. Don't forget us little people!


Me too! Those are always a lot of fun. But for what its worth, "we" here refers to CSM, and CSM only. That's what we are, like it or not. And chin up! you're not forgotten.

Also, as a side note, if any of you are a member of the Dust 514 beta, I wrote a lengthy post last night that contains some CSM feedback from the summit that I can share more freely in the other forum due to NDA protection. If you're wanting to know more details about the CSM's involvement as the two games merge, you can check it out here. If you're not in the Dust beta, I'm sorry, but there's just no way to be that open and honest about my thoughts on Dust without discussing specific beta features. The Dust 514 community deserves to be fully up to speed and in the know regardless, and I know many of them don't follow EVE CSM news (or even know why they should yet). So please stop by and check it out if you have access. If you don't yet, there's plenty of free access options availaible.

o7

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
None ofthe Above
#183 - 2013-01-12 02:06:18 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

It seemed at first that you were implying the CSM knew that this was going to have two days notice, and it caught me off guard because none of us had ever mentioned "two days" before. We knew the beta would be deployed in January (and had a date) but didn't know they'd wait till two days before to begin public messaging. And you're absolutely right, its impossible to completely put myself outside of the position I'm in after youv'e been doing this for 9 months, and I'm honestly trying to keep you guys informed as much as possible. You had no way of knowing that you'd only have two days notice and I completely see why that would be frustrating.


We'll okay. Seems the reason it seems you are replying to something other than what I said, is that is exactly what's happening.

My original post:

None ofthe Above wrote:
I applaud the idea of breaking out the DUST sessions into a later release if they are holding things up. Understandable that they've been a bit busy. Have to say I was a bit surprised by the only two day warning. Has me wondering why the sudden rush. Perhaps the minutes will one day be illuminating on that subject.


I found it understandable that they (Dust Team) have been busy. Because the Dust Team has been deploying the EVE-Dust link to TQ. That was a surprise to me since I hadn't expecting it to be deployed all of a sudden with only 2 days or so warning.

I wondered why.

I thought maybe there may be clues in the meeting minutes.

So you see there are no accusations. Not even an expression of frustration. Surprise and curiosity only.

I don't presume to know what CSM did or did not know about it since I've not been privy to that. So was not making any implications, other than idly wondering if the minutes might one day reveal something that could explain it. I didn't mean to imply, and am surprised you inferred, any accusation.

Anyway. Now that its been established that this was merely a misunderstanding...

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Can we haz minitz plz?

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Noriko Mai
#184 - 2013-01-12 18:00:50 UTC
Don't let those guys tease you Hans. Just keep up the good work (all of you). I'm very happy that we have the CSM.
And don't tell CCP that "Uproot" is broken. I like mission with no agro. Easy 50M in 7 minutes.


Just continue to represent my interests *transfers isk to Hans* and don't care about the trolls(everyone except me). Smile

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Frying Doom
#185 - 2013-01-14 09:15:58 UTC
Ok one month down and waiting on CCP

This seems to be a common theme every time the minutes are released.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#186 - 2013-01-14 09:26:29 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
This seems to be a common theme every time the minutes are released.


Almost as if you should have replaced "common theme" with "this is how long it takes" instead, hey?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#187 - 2013-01-14 09:39:51 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
This seems to be a common theme every time the minutes are released.


Almost as if you should have replaced "common theme" with "this is how long it takes" instead, hey?

Last times tome took 2 months to the day where CSM6s much smaller minutes took 6 weeks, so really the CSM should just say we expect the minutes to be out within 2 months, it would save them from the Soon comments.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#188 - 2013-01-14 13:32:10 UTC
Updated first post, we got some more NDA reviews done. We have 3 more non-DUST sessions, plus the 2 DUST sessions outstanding.

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2013-01-14 13:38:45 UTC
NIce! almost release time!

Please read these!

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Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#190 - 2013-01-14 18:31:34 UTC
Two step wrote:
Updated first post, we got some more NDA reviews done. We have 3 more non-DUST sessions, plus the 2 DUST sessions outstanding.

Does it means those tagged as "NDA reviews done" are okay to be published, or there are still pass to be done on them ?
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#191 - 2013-01-14 19:39:03 UTC
Tanaka Aiko wrote:
Two step wrote:
Updated first post, we got some more NDA reviews done. We have 3 more non-DUST sessions, plus the 2 DUST sessions outstanding.

Does it means those tagged as "NDA reviews done" are okay to be published, or there are still pass to be done on them ?


I've broken down the minutes process and current status in detail over here on my blog, along with some historical references for comparison. Blink

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Frying Doom
#192 - 2013-01-14 21:55:27 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Tanaka Aiko wrote:
Two step wrote:
Updated first post, we got some more NDA reviews done. We have 3 more non-DUST sessions, plus the 2 DUST sessions outstanding.

Does it means those tagged as "NDA reviews done" are okay to be published, or there are still pass to be done on them ?


I've broken down the minutes process and current status in detail over here on my blog, along with some historical references for comparison. Blink

Thank you for the updateSmile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#193 - 2013-01-15 14:35:07 UTC
Updated. We are now ready to release everything except for the DUST sessions. As soon as the upcoming dev blog comes out, we should be publishing everything except for those sessions.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#194 - 2013-01-15 17:52:31 UTC
Two step wrote:
Updated. We are now ready to release everything except for the DUST sessions. As soon as the upcoming dev blog comes out, we should be publishing everything except for those sessions.

it's come out make with the minutes

well, come out for me, not so much for people less in the know

here's a teaser: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64127/1/BlogPic1.png

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#195 - 2013-01-15 18:03:06 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Two step wrote:
Updated. We are now ready to release everything except for the DUST sessions. As soon as the upcoming dev blog comes out, we should be publishing everything except for those sessions.

it's come out make with the minutes

well, come out for me, not so much for people less in the know

here's a teaser: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64127/1/BlogPic1.png


There was a mistake in the upload, I think the wrong version was used, they're fixing it for official publish.

Minutes will be released tomorrow except the Dust sessions, I think CCP-ers have gone home for the day (barring whoever is fixing the upload derp) and everyone should have time to read the dev blog and discuss anyways.

o7

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#196 - 2013-01-15 18:26:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Weaselior wrote:
Two step wrote:
Updated. We are now ready to release everything except for the DUST sessions. As soon as the upcoming dev blog comes out, we should be publishing everything except for those sessions.

it's come out make with the minutes

well, come out for me, not so much for people less in the know

here's a teaser: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64127/1/BlogPic1.png


Look at dat fuggin teaser.

edit: lol the dev blog popped up on my RSS already, get those minutes out.

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#197 - 2013-01-15 18:54:17 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Two step wrote:
Updated. We are now ready to release everything except for the DUST sessions. As soon as the upcoming dev blog comes out, we should be publishing everything except for those sessions.

it's come out make with the minutes

well, come out for me, not so much for people less in the know

here's a teaser: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64127/1/BlogPic1.png


Look at dat fuggin teaser.

edit: lol the dev blog popped up on my RSS 10 minutes ago, get those minutes out.


WTF? That doesn't look anything like the Diagonal Development Waterfall we were shown at the summit!!! Shocked

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#198 - 2013-01-16 00:07:40 UTC
Looking forward to reading this... Big smile

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None ofthe Above
#199 - 2013-01-16 00:37:29 UTC
Seleene wrote:
WTF? That doesn't look anything like the Diagonal Development Waterfall we were shown at the summit!!! Shocked


See? You waited too long and the minutes are no longer relevant. Oh well.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#200 - 2013-01-16 02:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Seleene wrote:
WTF? That doesn't look anything like the Diagonal Development Waterfall we were shown at the summit!!! Shocked


See? It clearly shows that CSM can't hold CCP responsible/accountable for anything. Oh well.

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