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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#241 - 2012-12-26 01:58:49 UTC
I'm fine with name changes if there were to be a tab next to corp history called aliases. Old names can't be re used by new characters and name changes incur a fee. Any in game connections like links, searches or contacts automatically redirect to the new name.

Implementing this wouldn't be too difficult, and as far as consequences go, just google their old names as well when recruiting. If there is a worry of this being used too often put it on a timer like a remap as well as the fee.
Alexis Machine
#242 - 2012-12-26 02:44:57 UTC
I say no. Then again, I don't think you should be allowed to purchase characters to begin with. Roll
Duke Atreus
Doomheim
#243 - 2013-01-11 05:55:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Duke Atreus
I would love to have a name change on a character I bought.

He had the perfect skill set I was after with the limited ISK I had but my OCD got the best of me and I can't play him anymore: Tr3jo

Who the hell puts a 3 for an e???

I don't care if people can see I used to be tr3jo in some sort of character history but I would give almost anything to have a new name. Plus you'd get +1 subscription *wink wink*

Edit: You know what? I'd pay to have my name stay the same for everyone else but show up as whatever I choose for me.
Veronica Kerrigan
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#244 - 2013-01-11 06:03:32 UTC
I see an issue with being able to change name in that over the course of a few years, if I changed my name there could be a hundred "Veronica Kerrigan"s, and while I would be terribly flattered, it would be horribly confusing if oyu were trying to get a person into a private chat, or use eve mail to contact them. Would there be a notification sent out to everyone who added you as a contact? Would your old name be locked so no one else could take it, making past aliases permanent?
Ascendic
Polaris Syndicate
#245 - 2013-01-11 06:18:26 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



IMO as soon as a character has been sold he is no longer who he was. Therefore it should be treated like an identity wipe and a fresh start. Whatever he did before doesn't matter.

The only problem with this is spies would just rebuy their toons with different accounts to wipe their history Ugh
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#246 - 2013-01-11 08:02:10 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
No, reputation is important in EVE. If you want an unknown character, start a new one.


Clearly not as important as money is to CCP, or you wouldn't be able to sell that all important rep.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#247 - 2013-01-11 08:05:06 UTC
Also, and I should have mentioned this first, posting in another 10/10 Tom Gerard troll thread.

It's more fun the WB.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2013-01-11 09:41:49 UTC
Renier Gaden wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile


I favour the ability to change names based on the percentage of really bad or stupid names in EVE. I get the impression that many characters in EVE were created by people in a hurry to get started who did not want to waist time trying to come up with a good name that was not already taken.

I give props to people who took the time to make cool names such as Tinker Hell, and Large Collidable Object. I took the easy route and just picked a normal sounding name.

I like the idea of having a name history though. While I would like to see people be able to change their names, I don’t favour giving them the ability to wipe the slate clean.

I also think that the transfer of a character to a different account should be recorded in that character’s corp history. That way if you buy a Corp Thief, you can show that your character was purchased after the infamous events.

Edit: Actually, the name change should probably be recorded in the Corp History too, as that is where people look to determine the history of the character.



I HATE MY NAME.

I didn't buy my char, I built it. I was coming back to Eve after a break, couldn't remember my old password, or even email address for the account or anything so set up an entirely new character. After about 20 attempts with names I actually wanted being taken already, I ended up just typing crap into the box just so I could get on with it.

I'm not a corp thief, or a scammer. I didn't buy my char, and nor do I want to erase the corp history. I just want to change my ******* name!

Spent this long wondering to myself why I didn't put a bloody capital at the beginning and actually THINK of a last name. I don't need anybody to tell me 'Oh well, you should have thought of that at time' and 'live with the consequences' since I already know and I already do. Still hate my name.

To top it all off I was informed by some guy in local that the 88 in my name was some kind of indication that I was a nazi. In fact it indicates my birth year, but now I want to change my name even more.

I would happily pay. But due to all the issues mentioned in negative of this proposal, I doubt it will be implemented. Furthermore, I think it's all well and good not to want name changes possible, but I'm pretty sure those who advocate that position are happy with their names.

TLDR PLEASE LET ME CHANGE MY NAME. WILL PAY GOOD MONEY.
Fanatic Row
Neo T.E.C.H.
#249 - 2013-01-11 11:31:28 UTC
Why does every service have to be paid?

As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? Straight
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#250 - 2013-01-11 11:31:31 UTC
Yes, 88 can stand for HH, which stands for Heil [enter a WW2 name of someone who was a nut case].

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#251 - 2013-01-11 11:37:10 UTC
I don't mind. So long as there is a long(1-2yr) interval between being able to use, and costs a decent amount(~$30). Also corp history would remain, but just add in NAME CHANGED FROM X to Y on XX.XX.XXXX in the history.

However depending on the success of Dust naming is going to be a issue, since CCP had the bright idea of merging the nameserver of a single shard MMO with a F2P FPS.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#252 - 2013-01-11 11:44:25 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile


i think this could be useful for many people. When i buy new char i can't be sure i know enough about his past. I don't care TBH.

Let's say you buy character. You don't need his name or appearance, you don't get his assets and ISK (unless previous owner didn't care about it), you don't care about his past. Mostly you want only skillset. So the solution(s):

1) Clear it all, mark character as "bought" and born with date of transfer (this could be visible somewhere but will not interfere with new name and history like it does stupid mark WANTED). So you can live with it as it is your character from start.
If somebody wants to check your character he just checks his birthday and sees: char was bought. No history remains. New owner. You either trust PERSON controlling this char or you don't. It's up to you.

2) Place "pre-buy" history/name/whatever to some "backseat" place like additional button in window "character info". Owner can ignore this area. And when someone too paranoid checks this char he can have access to all information he needs.

I have one character i've bought mostly for jump freighter needs. I really never checked his past. Only seen once in eve-kill that he got caught with some JF somewhere in 0.0. Maybe it is why char was sold? I don't care. Anything what could happen with this char has no connection to me (i mean PERSON).

Once again: we talk here about SPACE PIXELS. Characters don't do s..t itself. Some REAL person does it. Character is asset like ship. Yes for some "RP-like" people characters mean something. But in reality you never can trust any character. You only can trust PERSON controlling this char. And this information isn't a part of char employment history. Add here account sharing (illegal but used very often) and you have even less trust to character.


Scam artist/Corp thief wrote:

Oh no, I have scammed and stolen billions and now I can't do anything because people don't trust me Sad OH!! I know!! I'll just sell myself to.....myself. Then I can wipe out all my wrong doings in one go and start all over again without losing any of my skills etc. etc. ad infinitum.


The above scenario was brought to you by people wanting zero consequences for their in-game actions.

tl;dr Name change etc. is a bad idea, don't do it CCP.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#253 - 2013-01-11 11:49:19 UTC
Fanatic Row wrote:
Why does every service have to be paid?

As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? Straight


EVE paid is $ 10.99/month one of the cheapest subs out there.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#254 - 2013-01-11 11:52:53 UTC
Fanatic Row wrote:
Why does every service have to be paid?

As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? Straight
You really need to look at prices first, before making such a claim.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
RaTTuS
BIG
#255 - 2013-01-11 11:55:22 UTC  |  Edited by: RaTTuS
as others have said.
the history has to be there forever - so a AKA list
and it would have to be not cheep [In real money] and restricted to how many you can do ]


see
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=48653

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Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#256 - 2013-01-11 12:53:08 UTC
Keep the corp history forever and as long as I can see past names I and my 256 alts :) approve of the "Name Change" proposal
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#257 - 2013-01-11 15:09:00 UTC
Purity wrote:
The point is this, Eve Online is different to other games in that it incorporates accountability.

Don't like your name or your corp history or some of your past choices? Tough! In this game, your actions have consequences.

what about bought chars? Do you know WHOLE story of every your bought characters? I don't.

Once i bought supercarrier babysitter with SS -9. He was a pirate for sure. But for me he just was sitting in my supercarrier and assisting me some time with farming ISK in 0.0. Then i sold him to some other person.

So your decision: which consequences this (second) owner should deal with? I have no ideas. What?
Do you think it would be good if this new owner of char will be (hunted, griefed, killed, whatever) because of some old actions of this bought char?

Once again: character is a tool like ship. Every character has REAL person controlling him. Past actions of CHARACTER may have no connection to current REAL owner.

Let's say you ganked someone. Then you want to get rid of your ship. You can strip fit from your ship and sell it. Or you make a contract and sell it as is. Or you repackage it and sell to market. No story left. New owner should not deal with consequences for YOUR actions with this ship. Or he should?Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#258 - 2013-01-11 15:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
This is a very bad and stupid idea!

Here are my reasons.

  1. If one were allowed to change character name what would happen to the next joeblogs who chooses that name for their new character?

  2. If recruiters look on the character bazaar and see the character has infact been sold, then whats the problem?

  3. Maybee CCP might add a feature to remove corp history? that won't work guess why? because i will create an app that will pull all characters history through killboard links etc., though maybee CCP would do this, theres a lot of idiots out there, me not one of them.

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Xorcha
Albion Expeditions
#259 - 2013-01-11 15:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Xorcha
Fundamentally you can change your name in real life therefore it makes no sense not to be able to change your name in game.
Also it's entirely possible for your reputation to change in real life and you may have different reputations with different groups of people so I don't think your employment history should be stuck to your character after potentially multiple account transfers.

Therefore when you transfer your character I think you should be able to change your name and corp history should be removed.

As a pragmatic step to avoid spy character swapping to wipe reputation, if a character changes accounts a timer should start which removes the previous life corp history after a year. That way a bought character would eventually lose it's previous life history and a spy could not switch a character between accounts to remove reputation.

Your eve character is an extension of your irl identity, I would argue that hating your name makes the game less immersive.
Fanatic Row
Neo T.E.C.H.
#260 - 2013-01-11 15:47:36 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Fanatic Row wrote:
Why does every service have to be paid?

As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? Straight
You really need to look at prices first, before making such a claim.
So, in which subscription based games do you have to pay for cosmetic features such as a re-sculpt, or clothing?

CCP charges a monthly fee for EVE, but offer none of the services that they've implemented from Free-to-Play games in that fee.