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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#81 - 2013-01-10 03:45:33 UTC
Octoven wrote:
If you wanted to balance the drive by effect of having players fly up, bombard, and skip merrily into the sunset without dust bunnies having a chance to defend themselves, you could always apply a timer drawback to the bombardment ammo so that if fired your ship is unable to warp for say 2 minutes? I don't know its an idea. I mean if you commit to nosing your way into a fight, it stands to reason your ship cant leave orbit for set amount of time to allow them a chance to retaliate.


I would assume that's already in place with targeted bombardment.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Deathan Taxxis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2013-01-10 10:22:07 UTC
Octoven wrote:
If you wanted to balance the drive by effect of having players fly up, bombard, and skip merrily into the sunset without dust bunnies having a chance to defend themselves, you could always apply a timer drawback to the bombardment ammo so that if fired your ship is unable to warp for say 2 minutes? I don't know its an idea. I mean if you commit to nosing your way into a fight, it stands to reason your ship cant leave orbit for set amount of time to allow them a chance to retaliate.

I imagine this will be pretty much the mechanic used. Possibly with a warmup timer before firing, explained by the ship having to enter a 'low orbit' position before opening fire. Then having to leave orbit before being able to warp away.
Abu Tarynnia
Kings-Guard
#83 - 2013-01-10 10:46:57 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

I'm asking to be able to throw darts at the dartboard that happens to be directly beneath me. (And have the dartboard fire some nice big darts right back at me.)


But you are throwing the dart over a distance of some 300km, with winds blowing all the way, with thermic problems due to friction, and last but not least with the dartboard below you just spinning out .. since the world is turning ... wtf .. just google 'Coriolis'.

YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#84 - 2013-01-10 15:22:50 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

I'm asking to be able to throw darts at the dartboard that happens to be directly beneath me. (And have the dartboard fire some nice big darts right back at me.)


But you are throwing the dart over a distance of some 300km, with winds blowing all the way, with thermic problems due to friction, and last but not least with the dartboard below you just spinning out .. since the world is turning ... wtf .. just google 'Coriolis'.


Ballistic Missiles are accurate to the meter or so, and those go through that turbulent atmosphere twice.
The Apollo missions reentry was aimed from orbit around the Moon, and generally got within a kilometer (and they hung around in that turbulent atmosphere for a heck of a lot longer than an artillery shell would need to).

You're literally saying that hitting the ground at the bottom of the gravity well you are in is difficult.

(Oh, and we can hit fast moving targets at 250km, but can't hit a stationary one just 50km further away?)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#85 - 2013-01-10 15:23:46 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

I'm asking to be able to throw darts at the dartboard that happens to be directly beneath me. (And have the dartboard fire some nice big darts right back at me.)


But you are throwing the dart over a distance of some 300km, with winds blowing all the way, with thermic problems due to friction, and last but not least with the dartboard below you just spinning out .. since the world is turning ... wtf .. just google 'Coriolis'.


Ballistic Missiles are accurate to the meter or so, and those go through that turbulent atmosphere twice.
The Apollo missions reentry was aimed from orbit around the Moon, and generally got within a kilometer (and they hung around in that turbulent atmosphere for a heck of a lot longer than an artillery shell would need to).

You're literally saying that hitting the ground at the bottom of the gravity well you are in is difficult.


EVE != Real life

wumbo
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#86 - 2013-01-10 15:28:32 UTC
Eli Green wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

I'm asking to be able to throw darts at the dartboard that happens to be directly beneath me. (And have the dartboard fire some nice big darts right back at me.)


But you are throwing the dart over a distance of some 300km, with winds blowing all the way, with thermic problems due to friction, and last but not least with the dartboard below you just spinning out .. since the world is turning ... wtf .. just google 'Coriolis'.


Ballistic Missiles are accurate to the meter or so, and those go through that turbulent atmosphere twice.
The Apollo missions reentry was aimed from orbit around the Moon, and generally got within a kilometer (and they hung around in that turbulent atmosphere for a heck of a lot longer than an artillery shell would need to).

You're literally saying that hitting the ground at the bottom of the gravity well you are in is difficult.


EVE != Real life


They're coming up with "real life" reasons you shouldn't be able to shoot the ground beneath your feet and hit. I'm pointing out that those arguments are flawed.

I've already made my game design argument: Nothing Else in EVE is instanced. DUST should not be either. So you should be free to fire at a DUST map without an invitation. They should be free to fire back effectively if they prepared for that possibility.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Octoven
Stellar Production
#87 - 2013-01-10 16:36:57 UTC
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There’s a number of reasons for missiles being an inappropriate delivery mechanism of tactical orbit-to-ground munitions. For one missiles are easily countered by Planetary Defence Systems. On the other hand, the maximum velocity of a ballistic missile descending from orbit without tearing itself apart is relatively so low that it would take minutes for it to reach the ground. This could be solved by manufacturing missiles with a built-in micro-warp drive, but that would cause the manufacturing price of the missile to sky-rocket, and besides, utilizing a warp drive so close to a planet surface is at best an interesting experiment and at worst catastrophic.


Such a sad day for missiles :( they truly are become a dead weapon. What with recent nerfs and now omission from orbital bombardment? Looks like the favoritism for guns just keeps growing. Guess I'll go change my skills over now before missiles become nothing more than glorified fireworks.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#88 - 2013-01-10 17:45:28 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Quote:
There’s a number of reasons for missiles being an inappropriate delivery mechanism of tactical orbit-to-ground munitions. For one missiles are easily countered by Planetary Defence Systems. On the other hand, the maximum velocity of a ballistic missile descending from orbit without tearing itself apart is relatively so low that it would take minutes for it to reach the ground. This could be solved by manufacturing missiles with a built-in micro-warp drive, but that would cause the manufacturing price of the missile to sky-rocket, and besides, utilizing a warp drive so close to a planet surface is at best an interesting experiment and at worst catastrophic.


Such a sad day for missiles :( they truly are become a dead weapon. What with recent nerfs and now omission from orbital bombardment? Looks like the favoritism for guns just keeps growing. Guess I'll go change my skills over now before missiles become nothing more than glorified fireworks.

Pick up some of those leftover Barium Fireworks, btw

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CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
#89 - 2013-01-11 02:44:42 UTC
The tactical strike is the first of the orbital bombardment types. We plan on adding missiles, larger weapon systems and variation to the mechanic. We will also be extending it beyond faction warfare when those battles in Dust become available.

As for indiscriminate carpet bombing of planets, well not without the dust guys having the opportunity to defend themselves.

CCP Nullarbor // Senior Engineer // Team Game of Drones
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#90 - 2013-01-11 03:41:57 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:

As for indiscriminate carpet bombing of planets, well not without the dust guys having the opportunity to defend themselves.

don't say you have no backdoor which allows to annoy dusties somehow? Giant magnifying glass which heats up a district or something.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#91 - 2013-01-11 04:39:37 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
As for indiscriminate carpet bombing of planets, well not without the dust guys having the opportunity to defend themselves.


Nobody's asking for the ability to shoot someone who's game mechanically barred from shooting back (though, from my understanding, that's what Orbital bombardment is). We just want you to hurry up and give prepared Dusties the ability to shoot back really effectively and give us the ability to take potshots at battles in progress (with big guns aka make the Leviathan useful again).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kesthely
Mestana
#92 - 2013-01-12 01:42:21 UTC
Random RP:

"Sergeant why has it gone pitch black" "Don't worry son, the amarr air support has just arrived"

Up in space: Siege mode Deployed, Orbital bombardment lasers locked on target, Fire at will

"Behold , he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him -Book of Revelations- "
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending -Book of Revelations- "


But seriously there is going to be a bunnymail right? complete with a bunny killboard?
Awww please? i mean they have gear, we kill them with our orbital bombardments... there has to be killmails! :)
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#93 - 2013-01-12 05:32:20 UTC
Octoven wrote:
I am just curios, why have missiles been omitted from the orbital bombardment ammo? I know guns are more instant but come on every other weapon type is represented.

Lasers
Hybrids
Projectiles

The only one that is being ignored here is missiles and Id like to know why, I mean a missile strike from orbit isn't that insane an idea.



Firing a missile from space makes no sense.
Any intelligent race would use rocks with guidance systems, propulsion is pointless when you are already traveling at orbital speeds.... Smile





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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2013-01-12 07:29:47 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Nobody's asking for the ability to shoot someone who's game mechanically barred from shooting back (though, from my understanding, that's what Orbital bombardment is). We just want you to hurry up and give prepared Dusties the ability to shoot back really effectively and give us the ability to take potshots at battles in progress (with big guns aka make the Leviathan useful again).

Missiles aren't used for bombardment, you yourself say guns.

Maybe the ragnarok?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#95 - 2013-01-12 09:17:30 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Nobody's asking for the ability to shoot someone who's game mechanically barred from shooting back (though, from my understanding, that's what Orbital bombardment is). We just want you to hurry up and give prepared Dusties the ability to shoot back really effectively and give us the ability to take potshots at battles in progress (with big guns aka make the Leviathan useful again).

Missiles aren't used for bombardment, you yourself say guns.

Maybe the ragnarok?


Make the Leviathon a Railboat like the Naga, and we're all set.

(Semi-Real Suggestion: The Levi needs some love, after all. It can't even do full damage to a Customs Office. Shooting missiles at the ground could be that love.)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-01-12 12:33:38 UTC
Ryal Acami wrote:


Chillax guys and gals. Sit back, watch what eveolves. There will be more functionality incoming. It could be fun Blink


I would like to see EvE evolving ,but it does not evolve shooting at planets with only getting notifications.
i mean ,it is nice to see such an interaction,but it does little for the whole of EvE.
How many people are going to shoot at a planet having a reason to do so ? everybody? don,t think so.
So lets say 30 % of the playersbase and i say that is way too high.
From that 30 % people have to get permission to shoot at a planet to get a notification displayed on your screen.
Way to go ,be happy with this ,you all wanted this

R.S.I2014
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-01-12 12:36:57 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
The tactical strike is the first of the orbital bombardment types. We plan on adding missiles, larger weapon systems and variation to the mechanic. We will also be extending it beyond faction warfare when those battles in Dust become available.

As for indiscriminate carpet bombing of planets, well not without the dust guys having the opportunity to defend themselves.



Do EvE players can gank a planet in the near future or do we have to have permission from consolekids forever?

R.S.I2014
Varactyl Charante
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-01-12 16:34:38 UTC
What happens when I am playing DUST and just give myself (the capsuleer) the permission to nuke the DUST bunnies in my lobby repeatedly? Because I will if it means I can glass some of those cursed snipers. They think they are hot stuff? Wait until i turn them into hot stuff! And by "hot stuff" I mean "molten piles of steaming slag".

I'm sorry to whoever had the hostage, but I may have just sawed them in half.