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Instead of adding "superores" to NullSec...

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#21 - 2013-01-10 20:42:17 UTC
All the things you're talking about can be easily addressed with remodeling the way Industry works in Hi, Low, and Null.

The first part of addressing the problem is resource distribution.

Also, get real. I doubt a few unnamed gravimetric ABCs in HiSec is going to break NullSec. And if it does, well, NullSec was broken to begin with, then.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-01-10 21:45:18 UTC
What is it with mining and being bad at math and economics?

Right now, given identical ships and bonuses, you will make as much or more mining scordite and pyroxeres in highsec as you do mining bistot and crockite in nullsec. Arkonor is only found in grav sites and only in small quantities. You don;t just warp to a belt and mine ark all day.

Also, it is true that there is no suicide gankers in nullsec. But this is only semantics, as their is no suicide by Concord in nullsec. So forget that 700dps Catalyst, because you can roam nullsec all day in a 700dps Hurricane and murder all the miners you want while shrugging off what ever drones they may throw at you in their defense.


Nullsec is not the king of mining. ABC ores are not magic.

By the numbers, highsec is the king of mining, especially when you factor in Concord limiting ganking to suicide runs and the easy access to refineries and markets.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#23 - 2013-01-10 21:54:23 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
[quote=Xuixien][quote=Gizznitt Malikite]

p.s. if you ever find this character "mining", it's not there for the ore...



Clever girl...

PS. Lazors are magic.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#24 - 2013-01-10 22:04:20 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
What is it with mining and being bad at math and economics?

Right now, given identical ships and bonuses, you will make as much or more mining scordite and pyroxeres in highsec as you do mining bistot and crockite in nullsec. Arkonor is only found in grav sites and only in small quantities. You don;t just warp to a belt and mine ark all day.

Also, it is true that there is no suicide gankers in nullsec. But this is only semantics, as their is no suicide by Concord in nullsec. So forget that 700dps Catalyst, because you can roam nullsec all day in a 700dps Hurricane and murder all the miners you want while shrugging off what ever drones they may throw at you in their defense.


Nullsec is not the king of mining. ABC ores are not magic.

By the numbers, highsec is the king of mining, especially when you factor in Concord limiting ganking to suicide runs and the easy access to refineries and markets.



So if you'll make as much, or more, mining low ends in HiSec, then mining a few ABCs to high won't matter. Kthx.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-01-10 22:18:23 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
What is it with mining and being bad at math and economics?

Right now, given identical ships and bonuses, you will make as much or more mining scordite and pyroxeres in highsec as you do mining bistot and crockite in nullsec. Arkonor is only found in grav sites and only in small quantities. You don;t just warp to a belt and mine ark all day.

Also, it is true that there is no suicide gankers in nullsec. But this is only semantics, as their is no suicide by Concord in nullsec. So forget that 700dps Catalyst, because you can roam nullsec all day in a 700dps Hurricane and murder all the miners you want while shrugging off what ever drones they may throw at you in their defense.


Nullsec is not the king of mining. ABC ores are not magic.

By the numbers, highsec is the king of mining, especially when you factor in Concord limiting ganking to suicide runs and the easy access to refineries and markets.



So if you'll make as much, or more, mining low ends in HiSec, then mining a few ABCs to high won't matter. Kthx.


No, it won't matter all that much. But it makes me wonder why you would want to make less isk mining the so called "high ends", wasting time probing down grav sites, when you could just park yourself in a highsec belt and make more and easier isk.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#26 - 2013-01-10 22:28:25 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
What is it with mining and being bad at math and economics?

Right now, given identical ships and bonuses, you will make as much or more mining scordite and pyroxeres in highsec as you do mining bistot and crockite in nullsec. Arkonor is only found in grav sites and only in small quantities. You don;t just warp to a belt and mine ark all day.

Also, it is true that there is no suicide gankers in nullsec. But this is only semantics, as their is no suicide by Concord in nullsec. So forget that 700dps Catalyst, because you can roam nullsec all day in a 700dps Hurricane and murder all the miners you want while shrugging off what ever drones they may throw at you in their defense.


Nullsec is not the king of mining. ABC ores are not magic.

By the numbers, highsec is the king of mining, especially when you factor in Concord limiting ganking to suicide runs and the easy access to refineries and markets.



So if you'll make as much, or more, mining low ends in HiSec, then mining a few ABCs to high won't matter. Kthx.


No, it won't matter all that much. But it makes me wonder why you would want to make less isk mining the so called "high ends", wasting time probing down grav sites, when you could just park yourself in a highsec belt and make more and easier isk.


Because it's a sandbox, and some people don't want to live in NullSec?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Xavier Thorm
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-01-10 22:31:32 UTC
What you seem to be missing, Xuixien, is that the changes you have proposed (if considered alone, which I see no reason for them not to be) would exacerbate problems instead of fixing them. Vague suggestions of fixing nullsec industry are all well and good, but this wouldn't accomplish that.

That said, the core concept of your idea is interesting. If combined, for example, with some kind of change to limit the ease with which mass quantities of minerals can be moved between nullsec and hisec, it could help to shift more mining and manufacturing into nullsec while still allowing hisec industry to function.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#28 - 2013-01-10 22:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
Xuixien wrote:
So if you'll make as much, or more, mining low ends in HiSec, then mining a few ABCs to high won't matter. Kthx.


Except to the extent that it further depresses the prices of the only ores that anyone ever seriously mined in nullsec.

I'd rather have CCP introduce two weaker kinds of ore to balance the two stronger kinds--Veined Omber, Porous Veldspar, that kind of thing--and roll that out to the high sec belts in theme with the idea that resources in high sec are depleted relative to other, less populated areas. The richer ores would then become more common as system security dropped. The highsec-mining-as-playstyle subscribers still get plenty of rocks to mine, and maybe the price of "low-end" minerals becomes robust enough to make them attractive to lowsec and nullsec miners. Someone might finally start chewing on Veldzilla (or was it Scordzilla, I forget). (Though the balance of low-ends in low- and null- sec grav sites needs to be adjusted upward to match the proportions used in manufacturing, because nobody mines the belts there.)

While I'm blue-skying, the Procurer and Skiff need to be redefined as the next step up from the Venture, as relatively quick and slippery ninja miners instead of brick-tanked bait ships.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#29 - 2013-01-10 22:32:36 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
But it makes me wonder why you would want to make less isk mining the so called "high ends", wasting time probing down grav sites, when you could just park yourself in a highsec belt and make more and easier isk.


Because "other" miners often join you in a belt and mine the roids there... It pisses me off and I want to live in a region where I can blow up their vessel if they touch the ore's I lay claim to!!!!

Also, it bothers me that a person can make as much or more isk mining in highsec, where concord will punish anyone that shoots them.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-01-10 22:32:56 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
What is it with mining and being bad at math and economics?

Right now, given identical ships and bonuses, you will make as much or more mining scordite and pyroxeres in highsec as you do mining bistot and crockite in nullsec. Arkonor is only found in grav sites and only in small quantities. You don;t just warp to a belt and mine ark all day.

Also, it is true that there is no suicide gankers in nullsec. But this is only semantics, as their is no suicide by Concord in nullsec. So forget that 700dps Catalyst, because you can roam nullsec all day in a 700dps Hurricane and murder all the miners you want while shrugging off what ever drones they may throw at you in their defense.


Nullsec is not the king of mining. ABC ores are not magic.

By the numbers, highsec is the king of mining, especially when you factor in Concord limiting ganking to suicide runs and the easy access to refineries and markets.



So if you'll make as much, or more, mining low ends in HiSec, then mining a few ABCs to high won't matter. Kthx.


No, it won't matter all that much. But it makes me wonder why you would want to make less isk mining the so called "high ends", wasting time probing down grav sites, when you could just park yourself in a highsec belt and make more and easier isk.


Because it's a sandbox, and some people don't want to live in NullSec?


Then don't live in nullsec. Fly in, cherry pick some "highends" and fly out. Then get laughed at by your highsec buddies who stayed in highsec and made way more isk than you mining ores that are actually vauable and in high demand.

You could probably get them from a wormhole, which would save you a bit of time, and be a bit safer.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#31 - 2013-01-10 22:36:01 UTC
Well, there's no point in arguing here, because you guys are just kneejerking on irrelevant details. I'll write a more comprehensive post about what I have in mind, if I can ever be arsed. o/

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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#32 - 2013-01-10 22:37:31 UTC  |  Edited by: King Rothgar
No one with any sense would mine in low or null sec for a measly 5-10% more yield. Disagree? Let me ask you this. Would you personally move to low sec and start mining for 5% more yield? Yeah, I didn't think so. Now, if you went with this approach and gave it double yield then sure, I suspect you would see some people move. But in your form this is just an unnecessary buff to high sec mining.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-01-10 22:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Shepard Wong Ogeko
King Rothgar wrote:
No one with any sense would mine in low or null sec for a measly 5-10% more yield. Disagree? Let me ask you this. Would you personally move to low sec and start mining for 5% more yield? Yeah, I didn't think so. Now, if you went with this approach and gave it double yield then sure, I suspect you would see some people move. But in your form this is just an unnecessary buff to high sec mining.



It isn't even a buff, as the only regular ore that is worth any more is arkonor, and that isn't even found in any huge quantities in grav sites.

And it isn't even a problem sourcing the highend minerals in highsec, because you can get them from reprocessing rat loot. So if OP wants those highend minerals, they can get into a Noctis and follow mission runners around.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-01-10 23:59:59 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Well, there's no point in arguing here, because you guys are just kneejerking on irrelevant details.

Your idea being bad (as you essentially conceded a few posts up when you threw your hands up and said 'mining is already broken, what does it matter if my terrible idea breaks it even more') is not an 'irrelevant detail'.

Quote:
I'll write a more comprehensive post about what I have in mind, if I can ever be arsed. o/

We won't hold our breath.

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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2013-01-11 03:44:08 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Because it's a sandbox, and some people don't want to live in NullSec?


Sandbox doesn't mean "I get to enjoy the benefits nullsec players have access to without the downsides." I don't know what gave you that impression.

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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2013-01-11 03:50:18 UTC
Seriously, using the "sandbox" excuse to marginalize nullsec because your risk-averse, asocial playstyle is incompatible with living in nullsec is goddamn stupid. It's the same nonsense that led to hisec vanguard farmers earning more than 0.0 sanctum runners with zero risk.

What's next, are you going to demand that CCP gives you the ability to fly titans and supercarriers in hisec?

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