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CCP Any changes to Mining for Winter 2012?

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Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#21 - 2011-10-24 18:20:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
Tippia wrote:
If they could solve the latency issues, they should just blatantly steal Galaxy of Fire's mining minigame.
Can you find a youtube vid for me? I don't even know what I'm looking for and feeling lazy.
This. Basically, it's a game of “keep the reticle within the circle” where the circle keeps shrinking as you suck up more ore, and the reticle keeps bouncing around, trying to get away from the centre of the circle.

Better mining drills gives you more control (by slowing the slippage down and/or by increasing your ability to push back). More valuable ores can be had by first stripping away the outer layers and then drill at the core, when the circle is at its absolute smallest.


Interesting idea, not sure I'd love it, but not a bad direction. What I do like about what you said is "optimize" mining. That being roids are mixed ore types and taking out Veldsparr before Omber gives a higher total yield or similar.

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Dbars Grinding
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#22 - 2011-10-24 18:21:45 UTC
Buff mining.

I have more space likes than you. 
Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-10-24 18:23:00 UTC
Adding a mini game to mining will only serve as a distraction, so miners are even easier to gank.

And I doubt it could keep people from botting either.
Takamori Maruyama
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-10-24 18:26:34 UTC
Basileus Volkan wrote:
Adding a mini game to mining will only serve as a distraction, so miners are even easier to gank.

And I doubt it could keep people from botting either.


Actually yes, since it will move the cursor to a random direction that a bot cannot prevent.It would fumble the bottter mining.
As for the ganking a + for merc corps , guard services etc.

Loud and clear...
Gronn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-24 18:31:19 UTC
I don't mine, but I don't see how a human element works in regards to the context of Eve. Even ratting or running missions is pretty much target, auto fire... rince, wash and repeat... Yes, you need to keep distance on harder rats, but if your a drone boat, you can just sit there and not even target if you don't want to direct the drones...
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#26 - 2011-10-24 18:32:45 UTC
Gronn wrote:
I don't mine, but I don't see how a human element works in regards to the context of Eve. Even ratting or running missions is pretty much target, auto fire... rince, wash and repeat... Yes, you need to keep distance on harder rats, but if your a drone boat, you can just sit there and not even target if you don't want to direct the drones...


Gronn,

You've just identified all of the worst elements of eve. They need to be changed, it's getting embarrassing.

AG
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2011-10-24 18:34:25 UTC
Takamori Maruyama wrote:
White Tree wrote:
I agree that mining needs more human interaction. The CSM has lobbed about ideas with regard to the subject but we have a hard time overcoming the idea of not making it some sort of quick-time event. But yeah, Mining needs to be looked at.

Well don't wanna sound rude, how about showing actually the CSM intention regarding the mining boredom situation?
Start a brainstorm thread, get opinions, get devs, programmers to check if that idea is possible to attach to the game etc etc.

So far I just see hey lets try to do something with mining, a few suggestions are given then after 20 posts it dies.
Sometimes a Blue post saying that they are going to look at it "soon" .But no serious engagement over the subject.

Seriously I would like to have a programmer to answer the questions in the thread.


ccp literally believes the tedium of mining is a positive and something that should be in the game, a task you do semi-afk

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Takamori Maruyama
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2011-10-24 18:35:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Takamori Maruyama
instead of orbiting, keep distance , go to....

Give a free move controlled ship to the players(Probably tons of vets will disagreed since I rustled their jimmies), that will change a lot the dynamics for EVE universe.

But like Tippia said, need to fix the latency in order to make this feature work.

Loud and clear...
Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-10-24 18:37:35 UTC
Takamori Maruyama wrote:
Basileus Volkan wrote:
Adding a mini game to mining will only serve as a distraction, so miners are even easier to gank.

And I doubt it could keep people from botting either.


Actually yes, since it will move the cursor to a random direction that a bot cannot prevent.It would fumble the bottter mining.
As for the ganking a + for merc corps , guard services etc.


I don't know but it doesn't sound too hard to make a bot that follows random movement on the screen. Might not be as efficient as a real human doing it but then again a real human can't work 24/7.
Charlotte The Harlot
La Villa Strangiato
#30 - 2011-10-24 18:40:43 UTC
How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..

Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..

But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..

Just fair right??
Takamori Maruyama
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2011-10-24 18:43:56 UTC
Charlotte The Harlot wrote:
How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..

Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..

But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..

Just fair right??

We are not talking about political and "social" problems in game.
We are trying to improve the miner fun experience, so like I suggested in this topic.Get into a mining corp with serious ops in high sec and hire some muscle to protect your miners.You guys are just being greedy, want to keep all the profit.Sometimes if you want to make some profit you need to pay to reduce the risk.
Its not bloody rocket science this sort of logic.

Loud and clear...
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-10-24 18:45:09 UTC
Takamori Maruyama wrote:
Basileus Volkan wrote:
Adding a mini game to mining will only serve as a distraction, so miners are even easier to gank.

And I doubt it could keep people from botting either.


Actually yes, since it will move the cursor to a random direction that a bot cannot prevent.It would fumble the bottter mining.
As for the ganking a + for merc corps , guard services etc.


Incorrect, a bot would actually handle the situation in a much better manner than the average human. Anything that a human can do that is based around coordinating a pointer or keypresses a computer can do just as well or better. The only thing that computers cannot do are things that require one to look at things from a subjective, and constantly learning perspective. As for captchas computers feasibly could analyze the image and get the correct answer if the parsing program was robust enough but it's just cheaper to pay some shmuck in India or similar location to do the captcha for you, which can be integrated into botting too.
Mail Order Bride
#33 - 2011-10-24 18:45:51 UTC
You could try dropping mining yeilds slightly across the board and then add a small interactive feature that boosts yeilds slightly higher than they are now. That way you can still please semi afk miners and also reward people who choose to interact while mining.
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-10-24 18:47:28 UTC
Charlotte The Harlot wrote:
How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..

Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..

But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..

Just fair right??


You can keep CONCORD around with a throwaway alt, you know that right?

As for your third point, sounds pretty malicious. You sure you don't want to try suicide ganking? It's fun!
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-10-24 18:48:11 UTC
Mail Order Bride wrote:
You could try dropping mining yeilds slightly across the board and then add a small interactive feature that boosts yeilds slightly higher than they are now. That way you can still please semi afk miners and also reward people who choose to interact while mining.



And reward bots even more since they can do the task very efficiently for almost all forms of tedious minigames.
Charlotte The Harlot
La Villa Strangiato
#36 - 2011-10-24 18:56:22 UTC
Takamori Maruyama wrote:
Charlotte The Harlot wrote:
How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..

Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..

But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..

Just fair right??

We are not talking about political and "social" problems in game.
We are trying to improve the miner fun experience, so like I suggested in this topic.Get into a mining corp with serious ops in high sec and hire some muscle to protect your miners.You guys are just being greedy, want to keep all the profit.Sometimes if you want to make some profit you need to pay to reduce the risk.
Its not bloody rocket science this sort of logic.



Well what we mine never hits the market,it ends up building crap down the road for my friends to waste..The problem is social..look what every Goon has been railing about for the last month..CCP has a mechanic in place to help the helpless,but every goon and his mother tries to work arounded what CCP intended..

Mining offenseave defensence or defence and yet all you hear are cries to even make them more helpless..CCP could do this..But you retards think all those statue shooter sub cancels were allot..The amout of production players that will bail will stagger this game..
Severian Carnifex
#37 - 2011-10-24 18:57:50 UTC
- make belts so that you must scan them... i dont think botts can do scanning very well... (maybe add some more statics on scans too so that you must have brain to see its only static)
- static belts have only very small roids for new players... (strips dont have use if it)
- when you left scanned belt its gone... you must scan again...
- make roid stealing criminal act so you can shoot that person - botts dont see what roid you mine...
- make fleeting with other players and making real ops more rewarding then solo mining (orca boost better) - botts dont fleet
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#38 - 2011-10-24 18:58:38 UTC
Charlotte The Harlot wrote:
Takamori Maruyama wrote:
Charlotte The Harlot wrote:
How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..

Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..

But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..

Just fair right??

We are not talking about political and "social" problems in game.
We are trying to improve the miner fun experience, so like I suggested in this topic.Get into a mining corp with serious ops in high sec and hire some muscle to protect your miners.You guys are just being greedy, want to keep all the profit.Sometimes if you want to make some profit you need to pay to reduce the risk.
Its not bloody rocket science this sort of logic.



Well what we mine never hits the market,it ends up building crap down the road for my friends to waste..The problem is social..look what every Goon has been railing about for the last month..CCP has a mechanic in place to help the helpless,but every goon and his mother tries to work arounded what CCP intended..

Mining offenseave defensence or defence and yet all you hear are cries to even make them more helpless..CCP could do this..But you retards think all those statue shooter sub cancels were allot..The amout of production players that will bail will stagger this game..


It may not hit the market, but your lack of demand does.
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Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#39 - 2011-10-24 18:59:57 UTC
Severian Carnifex wrote:
- make belts so that you must scan them... i dont think botts can do scanning very well... (maybe add some more statics on scans too so that you must have brain to see its only static)
- static belts have only very small roids for new players... (strips dont have use if it)
- when you left scanned belt its gone... you must scan again...
- make roid stealing criminal act so you can shoot that person - botts dont see what roid you mine...
- make fleeting with other players and making real ops more rewarding then solo mining (orca boost better) - botts dont fleet



some ok ideas here, but still mining is zzzzz
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Charlotte The Harlot
La Villa Strangiato
#40 - 2011-10-24 19:04:44 UTC
would moving belts around every couple hours do away with botters?? two things That need to be done together..

1. make it impossible to bot..

2 make it impossible to gank high sec miners..