Intergalactic Summit

If we are to talk of crimes, let us talk first and foremost of the crimes of the Amarr Empire, whose hands are the most blood-drenched in the cluster. You are the ones who attacked the Minmatar without provocation, enslaving them without their consent. You are the ones who attempted to commit genocide against the Starkmanir - and killed untold millions of civilians. You are the ones who generated the sect known as the Blood Raiders, who themselves have proven to be no less vicious then you yourselves. You also were the ones who provided slaves and implants to Kuvakei, you being the primary source for both in the cluster. The man may be Caldari, and have made a fortune in the State before his move to Stain, but we are not the ones who helped him once his nature was revealed. You poison billions with Vitoc, kill billions more every day through overwork and exhaustion, and you dare to think you have the moral right to even utter a word of criticism against the State?

I fight the Minmatar because they are unfortunately on the other side of the war, but I understand their motivations perfectly. Our interests do not coincide, but both Minmatar and Caldari have been dominated by foreign powers, invaded, and had their civilians bombarded from orbit.

We remember well our civilian transports being ripped apart by blasters as they struggled out of Caldari Prime's gravity well. We remember the dreadful lights in the sky as relativistic projectiles rained down on our cities and towns. We know what it is like to huddle starving and cold while gloating soldiers march through emptied houses and eat food meant for the mouths of our children. And we swore as our boots left the dust of our planet that we would return, that we would have our revenge, that retribution would be ours.

You would do well to fear the younger empires. We are the children, we are the new, and we are forged iron quenched in our own blood. Your decadent civilizations are larger, and more populous, but weaker in spirit and determination. This war is long and it swings from side to side, but in the end, there will be a reckoning, and it will not be the younger empires that bow the knee.

If you think that the Caldari will ever accept the idea that they should find themselves prosecuted for their liberation of their homeworld, you are delusional. Should you think to try to enforce it, you will find a Leviathan in Amarr, and we may not be as merciful to a society as bloody as yours. But these are unnecessary threats, for the Empire needs the State, more than the State needs the Empire. We supply your hi-tech goods, your manufactured goods, and many of your weapons components. Ask the Khanid Kingdom how well its ships would do without irreplaceable Caldari technology, too. Oh, and you've invested a great deal of money in many of our endeavors, money which we Caldari will not be returning if you decide to start interfering in our affairs. No, whatever some foolish capsuleer would yelp on the IGS, the empires do not make their decisions on such petty debates. The Amarr Empire and Caldari State are allied by economic ties, as the Republic depends on the Gallente Federation.

In the end, it is not morality or legality that matters - these change from empire to empire, society to society. In the end, Shakor liberated your slaves because he could, and they were his people. In the final account, we liberated our homeworld because we had the power to, because it was precious to us. The price you or the Federation would pay to get those things back is, I trust, far too high. You would have to exterminate the Minmatar, and the Federation might well have to do the same to the Caldari. It is doubtful that you either could ever have the power to do so - you certainly do not now. And you may further trust that the attempt would ruin you.

Captain Vikarion, I could very well reply to all the words of your post, but I won't because you clearly missed the point of my argument. You probably read only my latest posts, and thus believe I have some intent on judging the Caldari. But if you return to the origin of my argument, which holds my position before I had to defend it against you Caldari loyalists, you'd see that my main argument is: "stop bothering trying to bring CONCORD to trial, it's useless, and there are others (Minmatarr specially) that deserve it more".

Thus indeed, we are a bloody nation, and I won't apologize for it. We are destined to rule the stars and bring peace to them in time. But, on the issue of trials on the recent events, the Empire is innocent: we are the victims, we were the ones attacked, not the attackers. On the contrary, on this case, the Caldari State is guilty.

All the rest of your arguments are worn-out words, said too often before and repeated unsurprisingly. Nothing new. I expected more of a man such as yourself.

This wonderfu slice of history just emphasizes CONCORD's "band aid fix" approach to politics by it's failure to address the underlying cause of that attack, which was to prevent CONCORD from interfering with the Minmatar invasion of Amarr.

How much progress has CONCORD made in resolving the bad blood between these two empires?

Somebody ought to cauterize both of those Luminaire mudballs already. No planets, no problem.

I must admit that, surprisingly, I have to agree with you on a large part of this. I believe CONCORD is a nuisance, a problem for the well functioning of the cluster as it tries to avoid the natural behaviour of empires and states of all kinds. It tries to refrain them from using their power, and in exchange offers only bureaucracy and paper-writing. I am no friend of CONCORD at all.

But, if we came to the situation where states or heads of states could be put to trial, the Minmatarr broke the Yulai Accord on a terrorist attack, and so did the Caldari. Thus, they would deserve to be put to trial. Which, of course, will never happen because CONCORD only works when the empires want it to work, when they allow it, when such is not the case CONCORD is thrown aside.



One person is no constituent of anything, it's a citizen in one form or another. Institutions, states and other forms of social organizations have constituents, but where there is only one person there is no society, there must be at least two. So no, the opinions of one person aren't representative of any other thing than that person's opinions and, thus, don't make him a politician. Understanding it the other way would mean we all are politicians and, thus, the word would have no meaning.



I should probably not bother to reply to this as I owe no explanation to you, but I will anyway. I've been away from space for three years since I left the Imperial Navy, and now that I've left the monastery am still trying to get myself a decently fitted ship. But, if you doubt of my skills as a combat fighter or a fleet commander, I suggest you take a look at my skill certificates, they are publicly available. And keep an eye in space, as I will soon be joining the 24th once again, in which I hold a high position as an officer, as you can also publicly confirm.

The difference is that during the years of the reclaiming the Empire wasn't pretending about what they wanted or what they were doing. There was no peace to ruin, no treaties to break. It was open warfare & conquest, plain and simple.

The Republic, on the other hand, was one of the five signed members of the CONCORD assembly when they stabbed them in the back, attacked & destroyed the Yulai station, spat on every peace treaty that they had signed and pretty much revealed their true colors - that they can not be trusted by anyone. To attack CONCORD it to attack all of New Eden, and in doing so they proved themselves enemies of all of New Eden.

Yeap, and with the truth cowering behind it's wall of secrecy, lies and rumors are allowed to roam free

Besides the factional in-fighting (ah, it's so good to be 'home' again), the main question here was an audit of CONCORD.

I don't think it should happen. It, after all, will achieve or offer nothing significant of long-term use.

CONCORD was soundly defeated at their greatest concentration of power (Yulai, their Bureau Station, YC 110) by what some would consider to be the 'weakest' of the 'Big Five'. (I neither agree nor disagree with that assessment; all of the Big Five have their own strengths and weaknesses; the four actually openly active in Cluster Affairs balance each other.) Their Inner Council--the 'select' few that lead what was supposed to be the authority solely capable of balancing the Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, and Minmatar in order to maintain a reasonable standard of 'peace'--fled at record speeds from their orbital redoubt to the planet below.

They didn't have faith in the organization they oversaw.

That is the most damning thing against CONCORD...their own leaders doubted its ability to protect them at the center of its own strength.

After those 'events' (so called for the sake of brevity) had settled, CONCORD supposedly returned to 'nomal' operations.

Yet they did not immediately repair the station--despite having one of the largest budgets in the Cluster--that was (and is) a critical part of their core operations. They made it operational again...but they did not properly repair it. Leaving the graveyard of the battle in place is an appropriate statement, both as memorial and warning (to themselves and to any others who might dare). Leaving the center of their operations in the state that it is still in...is not only wildly inappropriate, but an outright bold announcemment of their weakness and impotence against any sufficiently powerful faction.

Luckily, CONCORD has so deeply embedded the software and hardware blocks into capsuleer technology...thus preventing Empyreans--a far more dangerous, adaptable, and aggressive group--from throwing off their control and rapidly 'running rampant' in Empire Space. The Big Four--capable of simply using manpower and greater resources to de-automate/override the necessary systems--are each capable of repeating the attack on CONCORD, disabling it (whether temporarily or permanently) whenever they feel the need.

Perhaps, luckily for CONCORD, none of the Big Four have again felt that need.

As for CONCORD protecting confedientiality/safety of Capsuleers and trillions of 'baseliners'...if even a limited audit were to take place, it is quite likely that the Sansha infiltration of CONCORD prior to their sudden and violent 'incursions' were not only NOT prevented by CONCORD--as is their duty--but actively AIDED by the intelligence and tactical information gained by Sansha's Nation with their penetration of CONCORD. The abilities of Sansha's forces to significantly hinder opposition to their operations using--what I understand to be--broadcast software overrides tends to support this.

Who else besides CONCORD had that information on all Capsuleer technology?

The bottom line is that, while an audit of CONCORD is foolhardy (at best), having CONCORD remain in power is likely only to lead to yet more disaster for not only us (the Immortal Capsuleers), but all the 'baseliners' as well. CONCORD has failed repeatedly to fulfill its duties, and has proven to be dangerously incompetent. While something of the same type is needed, CONCORD--at least as it currently is and operates--has proven incapable of those duties.

Thus, CONCORD either needs to be radically reformed, or replaced (likely by a neutral 'confederation' of descendant organizations fulfilling a specific role, i.e. DED=Enforcement Organization, SCC=Commercial Organization, et cetera; there would be no 'Inner Council', however, if such a model were adopted). While I don't think that such actions will be anywhere near easy (or even remotely fully achieved until a stable 'peace' is acheived for several yeas), action must be taken.

As CONCORD currently stands, they only hamper us--whether 'Zero-Zone' 0.0/wormhole Capsuleers, 'baseliner' 'Empires', or anyone not a member of Sansha's Nation--and look to be enabling further, unnecessary, death and destruction. CONCORD has failed...at least in its current form.

The question is....Is the Cluster going to let it drag us all down with it? Or will we find an answer that fullfills CONCORD's (sadly neccessary) duties effectively without overly infringing on the rights of the Cluster's major powers...including Capsuleers?

I agree on the part of the failure of CONCORD. I too believe, as is knonw, that CONCORD is more a nuissance than a solution: a patch that works worse than it should to control a situation way beyond its power. Probably the best proof of it is the factional warfare in which all powers are entangled: nor does it go anywhere, nor does it end, it's a perpetual warfare that only serves to keep our capsuleer ressources thinned by eternal warfare, death and killing. Without the push of the real Navies from the four nations, this war is eternal, and CONCORD is responsible for all the lives that it claims.

Oh, you perfectly hypocritical, sanctimonious, braying ass.