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armor-torp-navy-raven for whs?
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#1 - 2013-01-09 11:23:54 UTC
Hi all,

it's torps, so no pve fit.

About wormhole pvp: for those people that occasionally want to fly in an armorfleet, but are limited to caldari cruisers / caldari battleships with missiles - and there aren't just a few of them *sigh* - is navy raven actually a good choice?

There might always be the scorpion aswell, but I'm wondering if you guys know about a fit or two and how you've been using it!
Some additional information (meaning your personal opinion on that - 'navyraven in a wh-battle') is very appreciated!
Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#2 - 2013-01-09 11:28:54 UTC
Now is a good time to get Winmatar Battleship to 1, takes only a few days, and even a low skill phoon will be a better armor torp ship than any raven hull...ever
Gradur Dohr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-09 12:37:59 UTC
I have this problem.... my main is full caldary and i live in a wolf rayet wh....

the soluton for pve and pvp i found is lv the mimatar BS to 4 and I use 2 typhon issue one with missiles in caldari character and another in mimatat pvp toon with artilhary, the results are fine until now to pve and pvp too.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-01-09 14:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
Fly ECM Tengu

The Guns of Knowledge 
Walextheone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-01-09 14:38:09 UTC
Yeag ECM Tengus are awesome for armor pvp fleets or even a scopion would be better. But TBH the torp raven is much better now since the buff but I would not use it.

Maby you could get away with it in small fleets without logis, as throwaway ship
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-09 15:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
Walextheone wrote:
Yeag ECM Tengus are awesome for armor pvp fleets or even a scopion would be better. But TBH the torp raven is much better now since the buff but I would not use it.

Maby you could get away with it in small fleets without logis, as throwaway ship


I don't know if torps/ravens are any good or not. I suspect not, but here are some external factors to consider in w-space.

Raven

1) battleship mass
2) battleship properties (sig radius, lock time, damage projected, align)
3) Missile platform

My say in the battleship in w-space is either it's a snowflake (neuts for example) or you have the spare w-hole mass.

The Guns of Knowledge 
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-01-09 15:41:08 UTC
Sushi Nardieu wrote:
Fly ECM Tengu

+1 the only thing you can use a tengu for
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-01-09 16:29:13 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Hi all,

it's torps, so no pve fit.

About wormhole pvp: for those people that occasionally want to fly in an armorfleet, but are limited to caldari cruisers / caldari battleships with missiles - and there aren't just a few of them *sigh* - is navy raven actually a good choice?

There might always be the scorpion aswell, but I'm wondering if you guys know about a fit or two and how you've been using it!
Some additional information (meaning your personal opinion on that - 'navyraven in a wh-battle') is very appreciated!



My number one suggestion to anyone who is interested in w-space is:

Don't compromise on your ship fits. Armor Raven is a terribly idea for pvp, awful. Just take time and train a Proteus or a Loki, you will be of greater help to your corp / alliance, you will not be a laughing stock if you chose to apply to another w-space group some time later on and in the long run you will actually save ISK as your armor Raven will get pwned over and over.
StarFleetCommander
V0LTA
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#9 - 2013-01-09 21:10:38 UTC
do it
Matuk Grymwal
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2013-01-10 01:01:54 UTC
The main issue I have with BS in WH PVP is they get the absolute crap knocked out of them due to their high sig radius. So to make them even remotely worthwhile you need to be able to get a decent tank with fairly high resists to compensate. This means you end up with a very narrow profile of viable hulls, i.e. basically all the armor faction BS (bhaal, navy geddon, vindi, navy mega, etc).

On the flip side it also really depends who you're fighting. Against the higher WH entities you would die horribly. If you are playing with smaller corps in lower end holes, maybe you could get away with it.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-01-10 04:27:23 UTC
You'd probably be more valuable in a jam/neut Scorp or Falcon in PvP than in any faux-plated Raven hull.

If you insist on a DPS boat: just break down and train Minmatar Battleship.
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-10 08:25:43 UTC
I used to use Armor Raven as a bait ship.

It is great for that as it has 6 Mid slots.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-01-10 18:32:20 UTC
Get a Typhoon Fleet issue and slap some Torps on it. At the very most it should take 10 days to train for assuming you have no Minmatar Spaceship Command skills at all. It brings respectable DPS vs other BS, a large drone bay, a passable tank, and high speed with two Utility Mids, and three Highs that can either be used for Guns, Neuts, or Spider tanking..

It also only costs ~60% of what a CNR does.
Fatyn
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#14 - 2013-01-10 21:11:51 UTC
Real men fly falcons
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-10 22:57:14 UTC
At the risk of sounding ignorant, why doesn't anyone suggest a tier3 BC for ranged dps in a smaller sig boat?
WInter Borne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-01-10 23:04:52 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
At the risk of sounding ignorant, why doesn't anyone suggest a tier3 BC for ranged dps in a smaller sig boat?

Tier 3 BC's could work in system defense role, if you have a decent sniper fleet fc and can avoid fast tackle. But consider you have to take the tier 3 bc through a wormhole first. Wormholes will spit you out within 500m-7km from them. Then consider the fact that most pvp groups use armor, so you'll have a couple proteuses, legions, and lokis doing upwards of 600 dps (closer to 800) at point blank range right after you decloak.

I've personally yet to find a fit that will allow tier 3 bc's to survive the kind of firepower that melts command ships in seconds, but if you can please let me know.