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New Players: Joining an Alliance

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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-10 06:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Doobie
Hello Newbro Smile

When I first started taking EVE seriously about 3 months ago I had big goals in EVE. I naturally thought that associating myself with the largest and most well known would get me there.

I will not speak on my situation in particular, but I will say this to any new players reading this: being in a large corp/alliance doesn't mean a damned thing. If anything it's worse. It's impersonal, no one knows anyone, it's extremely cliquish and cold. Sure you'll find many within who will help you, but you're sure to find just as many inside who make it their life's plan to be the biggest asshat they can be.

Do NOT fall into the wave of BS in others telling you to run after Goons, TEST, IRC, Razor, Solar, etc. Take your TIME. Some of the BEST corps out there have less than 100 folks. Everyone knows each other. There's no stress or bureaucratic BS. It's all about having some fun with cool folks.

Being in a large corp/alliance isn't as fun as you think. Sure, they have lots of resources to help new players, but that's really about it. The rampant favoritism, drama and red tape really takes away from the experience IMO.

Some of these larger corps/alliances tend to want robots, not people. You get trashed on forums for simply having an unpopular opinion, no matter how respectful you are. You get trampled by the stampede of brown nosers and ass kissers who are so focused on fitting in with the "KEWL KIDZ" they are willing to say and do anything it takes to be with the "in" crowd in that corp/alliance. People like myself who are NOT followers and speak for themselves will have a difficult time in this sort of environment. In fact this very thread may cst me my membership even though I stated clearly that I am not refering to any particular corp/alliance but hey...Just the way it is. I'm my own man and I speak my mind. To many of these big time corps however, You are just a cog in the machine. Get in line or stfu and gtfo. Period. It's amazing how quickly people will abandon all dignity simply to fit in in a virtual world, but there it is.

Take your time newbro, and find your place. Don't shun the smaller corps simply for the sake of fitting in. Take the time to find a group of people who may not necessarily have endless isk to give you in ship reimbursements, but they actually interact with you. You've actually had a conversation with the CEO. You've actually been on Voice with the other members and laughed it up as time flew by while playing EVE and having FUN. So many noobs come, try to join the big guys, then quit when they see the ridiculous amount of BS it takes to get in. They figure settling for a smaller corp won't cut the mustard.

Well I'm in the largest Alliance in EVE, and I'm telling you straight up, no BS: It ain't all it's cracked up to be. Not the worst. Not the best. Depends on the player is my point. Don't make the mistake of assuming this is for everyone. It is not.

-Max Doobie Lol
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#2 - 2013-01-10 06:28:40 UTC
tl;dr= test sucks
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-10 06:33:00 UTC
Zack Korth wrote:
tl;dr= test sucks



lol, not at all. I'm simply saying that players shouldn't judge by size alone.

...at least not in regards to EVE....
...in your dating life...perhaps...
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#4 - 2013-01-10 06:40:55 UTC
meh, the people i know who are in test, i really like, which is probably why i'm still in an HBC corp, i've been recruited by a corp in TEST, i would have joined if not for the fear of being in a huge alliance that gets BoB'd, of course i'm still screwed if that happens, namely because i'm 60 jumps from high sec without test's jump bridges, so i appreciate test, i just don't want to be involved.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-10 06:43:33 UTC
Zack Korth wrote:
meh, the people i know who are in test, i really like, which is probably why i'm still in an HBC corp, i've been recruited by a corp in TEST, i would have joined if not for the fear of being in a huge alliance that gets BoB'd, of course i'm still screwed if that happens, namely because i'm 60 jumps from high sec without test's jump bridges, so i appreciate test, i just don't want to be involved.


So we're fine when we're popping your zits, cooking your sorry ass breakfast and giving up the goodies....but you won't marry us?


Gotcha.


Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#6 - 2013-01-10 06:51:05 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Zack Korth wrote:
meh, the people i know who are in test, i really like, which is probably why i'm still in an HBC corp, i've been recruited by a corp in TEST, i would have joined if not for the fear of being in a huge alliance that gets BoB'd, of course i'm still screwed if that happens, namely because i'm 60 jumps from high sec without test's jump bridges, so i appreciate test, i just don't want to be involved.


So we're fine when we're popping your zits, cooking your sorry ass breakfast and giving up the goodies....but you won't marry us?


Gotcha.




oh is that what its like, next time i'll leave a jet can with some quafe so you don't feel totally used
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-01-10 06:53:48 UTC
lol
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2013-01-10 07:34:08 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Zack Korth wrote:
meh, the people i know who are in test, i really like, which is probably why i'm still in an HBC corp, i've been recruited by a corp in TEST, i would have joined if not for the fear of being in a huge alliance that gets BoB'd, of course i'm still screwed if that happens, namely because i'm 60 jumps from high sec without test's jump bridges, so i appreciate test, i just don't want to be involved.


So we're fine when we're popping your zits, cooking your sorry ass breakfast and giving up the goodies....but you won't marry us?


Gotcha.




Oh Honey, you knew he wasn't the marryin' kind when you got into bed with him. Oh, now there, there.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-01-10 07:55:43 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Zack Korth wrote:
tl;dr= test sucks



lol, not at all. I'm simply saying that players shouldn't judge by size alone.

...at least not in regards to EVE....
...in your dating life...perhaps...

Confirming that in dating bigger is better.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Duries Kain
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-01-10 08:43:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
Zack Korth wrote:
tl;dr= test sucks



lol, not at all. I'm simply saying that players shouldn't judge by size alone.

...at least not in regards to EVE....
...in your dating life...perhaps...

Confirming that in dating bigger is better.


if this is related to a purse, then true.
Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-01-10 08:54:00 UTC
I think the best corp is the npc corp :D The CEO has no personal ego's, ambitions, rules.. actually he don't give a fok about what you do as long you pay the 11% rate, is why the npc CEO's are the best! Also, the members are very cool, there is a large variety of players from nubs to pro's, brilliant economist up to cold blood killers.. there is always something new to learn :P
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-01-10 08:57:30 UTC
Mhax Arthie wrote:
I think the best corp is the npc corp :D The CEO has no personal ego's, ambitions, rules.. actually he don't give a fok about what you do as long you pay the 11% rate, is why the npc CEO's are the best! Also, the members are very cool, there is a large variety of players from nubs to pro's, brilliant economist up to cold blood killers.. there is always something new to learn :P


How's the UoC ship replacement program?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#13 - 2013-01-10 09:26:07 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
You get trashed on forums for simply having an unpopular opinion, no matter how respectful you are. You get trampled by the stampede of brown nosers and ass kissers who are so focused on fitting in with the "KEWL KIDZ" they are willing to say and do anything it takes to be with the "in" crowd in that corp/alliance. People like myself who are NOT followers and speak for themselves will have a difficult time in this sort of environment. In fact this very thread may cst me my membership even though I stated clearly that I am not refering to any particular corp/alliance but hey...Just the way it is. I'm my own man and I speak my mind.

Literally Gevlon Goblin
Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-01-10 09:28:07 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Mhax Arthie wrote:
I think the best corp is the npc corp :D The CEO has no personal ego's, ambitions, rules.. actually he don't give a fok about what you do as long you pay the 11% rate, is why the npc CEO's are the best! Also, the members are very cool, there is a large variety of players from nubs to pro's, brilliant economist up to cold blood killers.. there is always something new to learn :P


How's the UoC ship replacement program?

Errr.. what? You join a corp/alliance onle because the ship replacement program? Now.. that makes you a real zombie: "here is a ship, step in and go fight for my personal ambitions and wallet". Yeah right...

PS: Waiting for servers go online I just skilled Forum Trolling to lvl 1, so don't take everything too serious. Big smile
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#15 - 2013-01-10 09:51:11 UTC
When are you leaving?
Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#16 - 2013-01-10 10:55:13 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Hello Newbro Smile

When I first started taking EVE seriously about 3 months ago I had big goals in EVE. I naturally thought that associating myself with the largest and most well known would get me there.

I will not speak on my situation in particular, but I will say this to any new players reading this: being in a large corp/alliance doesn't mean a damned thing. If anything it's worse. It's impersonal, no one knows anyone, it's extremely cliquish and cold. Sure you'll find many within who will help you, but you're sure to find just as many inside who make it their life's plan to be the biggest asshat they can be.

Do NOT fall into the wave of BS in others telling you to run after Goons, TEST, IRC, Razor, Solar, etc. Take your TIME. Some of the BEST corps out there have less than 100 folks. Everyone knows each other. There's no stress or bureaucratic BS. It's all about having some fun with cool folks.

Being in a large corp/alliance isn't as fun as you think. Sure, they have lots of resources to help new players, but that's really about it. The rampant favoritism, drama and red tape really takes away from the experience IMO.


Max Doobie wrote:

If TEST and Goons are so hostile to new people, how come we have the largest pools of noobs out of any other alliance in game, apart from Ivy League of course?

How do you think we got so large? By scamming brand new players? By being snobby and telling new players to just figure it out and gtfo of our faces? No. TEST and Goons are the poster children for inclusion and patience. That's why people envy us. I speak as a new player myself, CCP owes HBC and CFC for my 3 accounts, I can tell you that with a straight face. I found some cool people to play with, patient and knowledgeable. THEY are the reason I stayed.


From two different topics....
What is this i don't even?
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#17 - 2013-01-10 11:06:24 UTC
Ildryn wrote:
From two different topics....
What is this i don't even?

Max Doobie is not known for his consistency, his rationality, his trustworthiness or his truthfulness.

Perhaps someone said something rude in corp chat last night that spurred him to create this post? Who knows?
iskflakes
#18 - 2013-01-10 11:09:17 UTC
tl;dr

If you like blobbing join TEST and CFC.
Otherwise join a smaller lowsec corp.

-

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#19 - 2013-01-10 11:12:12 UTC
Size doesn't matter. Its how you use it.....Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-01-10 11:25:39 UTC
Zack Korth wrote:
meh, the people i know who are in test, i really like, which is probably why i'm still in an HBC corp, i've been recruited by a corp in TEST, i would have joined if not for the fear of being in a huge alliance that gets BoB'd, of course i'm still screwed if that happens, namely because i'm 60 jumps from high sec without test's jump bridges, so i appreciate test, i just don't want to be involved.


Alliances rising and falling happens all the time in EVE. Knowing and expecting it makes the game a better experience. If you live your EVE life trying to preserve everything, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.


What OP is saying is that you should join a group of similar interests instead of trying to find an 'end game' so that your ride while playing eve is more enjoyable.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

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