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Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#461 - 2013-01-09 15:36:13 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Anja Suorsa wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Wey'oun wrote:
As of today evoke joined faction warfare on caldari side. is this the saviour they have been praying for????



There is no need to pray saviour. FW is about isk, and best way to make isk is to let gallente make tier 5 and then farm missions for gallente.

You are doing all the hard work for caldari to make easy isk, keep going you are too slow.

CCP decided that Gallente will be the isk farm side so there is no point to fight against CCP will.


Speaking only for myself here, I'm of the opinion that this attitude and behaviour is a large part of the problem. The volume of self confessed 'Caldari' plexing for the Gal-Mil is quite frankly, disgusting, short sighted and self defeating.


As said before , problem is current mechanic that does not generate any reason to fight for systems, current system boosts so much winning side that there is no reason to **** up it by attacking on opposing side. Also Farming on losing side is only profitable with alt farming army so there is not much interest to do it because better to farm on winning side with less alts and make more profits.

PVP in current FW is mostly killing farmers or fighting against blob on certain systems, personally i do not see any interest to do either one, farmer just try to run and blob uses tactics that needs certain amount players to counter so it goes automatically to bigger fleets which are not supported by current mechanic that splits plexing rewards making it unprofitable on any way.

Only reason to fight for Caldari is roleplay reason and that is something that CCP tried to fix because it did not work before but they managed to make system where other side fight for big isk and other side for roleplay reason.

Current system is worst FW ever by mechanical side. CCP sadly stopped developing FW anymore because they think it is ready, so better to look for something else to do if you do not farm isk.


The Incentive is 'Your' team. I agree that the problem is one with the mechanics overall. Using a poor sporting analogy, a team losing a football match does not defect to the winning side, they're simply not allowed. They play for their team. I'll leave it to better and smarter people than me to suggest fixes for it.

It doesn't change the fact that Caldari could have made a push from mid T2 where we lingered Late November/Early December to even things at T3. Plans to do just this were foiled by the sheer volume of plexing alts, many of them Caldari FW alts, doing a lot of leg work, both offensivly and defensively plexing 23/7. Had these short sighted players not assisted in their own, and by extension the rest of the militia's demise for a quick buck, we could well have parity with the Gal-Mil on the T3 right now.

Unfortunately the damage is now done. The Militia has to this point largely been deserted leaving just a comparative handful of Alliances, Corporations and Players to pick up the pieces, fighting often superior numbers and most certainly better organised opponents.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#462 - 2013-01-09 15:36:32 UTC
Hey BM, hit me up in game bro, for 5B ISK a hour I will give you lessons on how to fight outnumbered.

nom nom
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#463 - 2013-01-09 16:49:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
Anja Suorsa wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Anja Suorsa wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Wey'oun wrote:
As of today evoke joined faction warfare on caldari side. is this the saviour they have been praying for????



There is no need to pray saviour. FW is about isk, and best way to make isk is to let gallente make tier 5 and then farm missions for gallente.

You are doing all the hard work for caldari to make easy isk, keep going you are too slow.

CCP decided that Gallente will be the isk farm side so there is no point to fight against CCP will.


Speaking only for myself here, I'm of the opinion that this attitude and behaviour is a large part of the problem. The volume of self confessed 'Caldari' plexing for the Gal-Mil is quite frankly, disgusting, short sighted and self defeating.


As said before , problem is current mechanic that does not generate any reason to fight for systems, current system boosts so much winning side that there is no reason to **** up it by attacking on opposing side. Also Farming on losing side is only profitable with alt farming army so there is not much interest to do it because better to farm on winning side with less alts and make more profits.

PVP in current FW is mostly killing farmers or fighting against blob on certain systems, personally i do not see any interest to do either one, farmer just try to run and blob uses tactics that needs certain amount players to counter so it goes automatically to bigger fleets which are not supported by current mechanic that splits plexing rewards making it unprofitable on any way.

Only reason to fight for Caldari is roleplay reason and that is something that CCP tried to fix because it did not work before but they managed to make system where other side fight for big isk and other side for roleplay reason.

Current system is worst FW ever by mechanical side. CCP sadly stopped developing FW anymore because they think it is ready, so better to look for something else to do if you do not farm isk.


The Incentive is 'Your' team. I agree that the problem is one with the mechanics overall. Using a poor sporting analogy, a team losing a football match does not defect to the winning side, they're simply not allowed. They play for their team. I'll leave it to better and smarter people than me to suggest fixes for it.

It doesn't change the fact that Caldari could have made a push from mid T2 where we lingered Late November/Early December to even things at T3. Plans to do just this were foiled by the sheer volume of plexing alts, many of them Caldari FW alts, doing a lot of leg work, both offensivly and defensively plexing 23/7. Had these short sighted players not assisted in their own, and by extension the rest of the militia's demise for a quick buck, we could well have parity with the Gal-Mil on the T3 right now.

Unfortunately the damage is now done. The Militia has to this point largely been deserted leaving just a comparative handful of Alliances, Corporations and Players to pick up the pieces, fighting often superior numbers and most certainly better organised opponents.


As it it is said, CCP made it so that all easy plexing for alts was on gallente side and there was no more reason for caldari to shoot bunkers or take systems and also those 100 bunkers should have been taken down in 24-48 hours so CCP made FW that lasted less than 48 hours where other side had lot of more reason to act than other side.

We do know that we could have taken systems and we still can, but as it is said there is no reason for that, all benefits if we let gallente take all systems and make tier 5.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#464 - 2013-01-09 16:52:32 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Hey BM, hit me up in game bro, for 5B ISK a hour I will give you lessons on how to fight outnumbered.


I do know how to fight outnumbered, but when you have RR everywhere you need certain critical dps to brake that and that leads to bigger fleets that are not supported by game mechanic which splits LP in plexes.
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#465 - 2013-01-09 18:13:03 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Hey BM, hit me up in game bro, for 5B ISK a hour I will give you lessons on how to fight outnumbered.


I do know how to fight outnumbered, but when you have RR everywhere you need certain critical dps to brake that and that leads to bigger fleets that are not supported by game mechanic which splits LP in plexes.

It's all about the isk!
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#466 - 2013-01-10 02:52:49 UTC
Decided not to plex and just pew this week and see how much isk I could make. Limited time online has restricted me a bit but there is no need to plex.

Would be around 80-100mil from bounties, LP for killing wt's and modules (and I only loot about 1/3 of the time due to usually full cargo hold).

Then - I think 3 hookbills lost (which cost nothing anyhow) and a moa so - 40mil losses approx.

So 60 mil profit pew pewing in cheap frigates.

I know 60mil isn't much in the scheme of things - but profit from pvp is what so many wanted and it is possible for a fail pvper like me so the rest of you have no excuse for not making any isk.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#467 - 2013-01-10 06:08:57 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

So 60 mil profit pew pewing in cheap frigates.




Every so often I sneeze and 60 mill pops out of my ears. You could make more profit following me around for a week ...
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#468 - 2013-01-10 06:43:12 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Decided not to plex and just pew this week and see how much isk I could make. Limited time online has restricted me a bit but there is no need to plex.

Would be around 80-100mil from bounties, LP for killing wt's and modules (and I only loot about 1/3 of the time due to usually full cargo hold).

Then - I think 3 hookbills lost (which cost nothing anyhow) and a moa so - 40mil losses approx.

So 60 mil profit pew pewing in cheap frigates.

I know 60mil isn't much in the scheme of things - but profit from pvp is what so many wanted and it is possible for a fail pvper like me so the rest of you have no excuse for not making any isk.



Well you see, earning the ISK your way requires effort. So...
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#469 - 2013-01-10 06:45:39 UTC
Tekitha wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:

So 60 mil profit pew pewing in cheap frigates.




Every so often I sneeze and 60 mill pops out of my ears. You could make more profit following me around for a week ...


I have a feeling I would lose isk if I spent a week too close to you. My entire hanger would be turned into space pixel dust.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#470 - 2013-01-10 06:59:47 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Decided not to plex and just pew this week and see how much isk I could make. Limited time online has restricted me a bit but there is no need to plex.

Would be around 80-100mil from bounties, LP for killing wt's and modules (and I only loot about 1/3 of the time due to usually full cargo hold).

Then - I think 3 hookbills lost (which cost nothing anyhow) and a moa so - 40mil losses approx.

So 60 mil profit pew pewing in cheap frigates.

I know 60mil isn't much in the scheme of things - but profit from pvp is what so many wanted and it is possible for a fail pvper like me so the rest of you have no excuse for not making any isk.



Well you see, earning the ISK your way requires effort. So...


It's not about big profit - it's about whether someone can sustain themselves in FW doing only pvp.

Dunno about effort - since the d-scan has camera tracking it's very easy to scout out a target quickly and be on your way to them within 10-15 sec of entering a system.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#471 - 2013-01-10 07:32:40 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Thomas Gore wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Decided not to plex and just pew this week and see how much isk I could make. Limited time online has restricted me a bit but there is no need to plex.

Would be around 80-100mil from bounties, LP for killing wt's and modules (and I only loot about 1/3 of the time due to usually full cargo hold).

Then - I think 3 hookbills lost (which cost nothing anyhow) and a moa so - 40mil losses approx.

So 60 mil profit pew pewing in cheap frigates.

I know 60mil isn't much in the scheme of things - but profit from pvp is what so many wanted and it is possible for a fail pvper like me so the rest of you have no excuse for not making any isk.



Well you see, earning the ISK your way requires effort. So...


It's not about big profit - it's about whether someone can sustain themselves in FW doing only pvp.

Dunno about effort - since the d-scan has camera tracking it's very easy to scout out a target quickly and be on your way to them within 10-15 sec of entering a system.


I agree with your way. I know a lot will rather orbit a button at T4 for phat LP reward :)
SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#472 - 2013-01-10 07:40:44 UTC
the one ******* day i decide to resub the servers are down, ******* amazing........

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#473 - 2013-01-10 07:44:51 UTC
SaltyandSweet wrote:
the one ******* day i decide to resub the servers are down, ******* amazing........


Don't know how it relates to this topic, but yes, there is an extended (announced two days ago) downtime today because they're merging DUST to tranquility today.
SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#474 - 2013-01-10 08:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: SaltyandSweet
Thomas Gore wrote:
SaltyandSweet wrote:
the one ******* day i decide to resub the servers are down, ******* amazing........


Don't know how it relates to this topic, but yes, there is an extended (announced two days ago) downtime today because they're merging DUST to tranquility today.

i love sh!tting in a SOTF thread, just for tek =]
also i wasnt here 2 days ago, just decided to resub and bam server down.....

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!
Skippy Peanut
State War Academy
Caldari State
#475 - 2013-01-10 08:30:35 UTC
while the long downtime, some useless posting.

We are having some awesome fights in Old Man Star, mostly outnumber but still great fighting.

IT IS A WIN FOR CALDARI STATE, BECAUSE WE GET LITTLE REWARD ONLY HONOUR AND GLORY!

http://eveonline-avatar.blogspot.com/
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#476 - 2013-01-10 09:41:14 UTC
As my Caldari bro Silver said in local .... after we kicked some frogs today in the morning before the dt .... we are still here and kicking. Twisted
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#477 - 2013-01-10 10:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Casidy
masternerdguy wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Mutnin wrote:

This is why I'm a critic of the current Sov System because it's pretty much just arena PVP where only a few key systems are fought over while the vast majority are just farmed back & forth.

You have never been a part of sovereignty warfare anyways. And you never log in. So... why do you care so much ?


Sov war was a joke before CCP started toying with it and it's a bigger joke now. The difference is, now you are forced into playing Sov War if you stay in FW. Did you ever consider that the reason I rarely log on, is because FW was largely the only thing that interested me in this game until CCP decided to fix it, by turning it into even a worse version of null sec.


This sounds like so many of the nullsec rants that losing alliances make.


hooray necro! also 5 hour dt is making me bored but to the point...Mutnin, Have you considered RvB?

-edit- @ Skippy,constructive criticism mode on (lemme find my hat) enjoyed your blog, but I have to ask, you guys were defending your home ( OMS) and calling for RF to OMS when our obvious intention was to take Raka, why not link up with HE and Templis to kick us out of there and then get them to come help you in OMS later?

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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#478 - 2013-01-10 10:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Casidy
Hidden Snake wrote:
As my Caldari bro Silver said in local .... after we kicked some frogs today in the morning before the dt .... we are still here and kicking. Twisted


Yep, we've been having GF's all over the map trying to defend. Keep bringing it!

-edit- I think I just agreed with HS....i am far too drunk t be posting apparently. Either that or he is. You can get drunk enough to make sense right?

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#479 - 2013-01-10 11:27:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Cat Casidy wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Mutnin wrote:

This is why I'm a critic of the current Sov System because it's pretty much just arena PVP where only a few key systems are fought over while the vast majority are just farmed back & forth.

You have never been a part of sovereignty warfare anyways. And you never log in. So... why do you care so much ?


Sov war was a joke before CCP started toying with it and it's a bigger joke now. The difference is, now you are forced into playing Sov War if you stay in FW. Did you ever consider that the reason I rarely log on, is because FW was largely the only thing that interested me in this game until CCP decided to fix it, by turning it into even a worse version of null sec.


This sounds like so many of the nullsec rants that losing alliances make.


hooray necro! also 5 hour dt is making me bored but to the point...Mutnin, Have you considered RvB?




Yes I've had an alt in RvB before and it was very very boring and way too limiting. It's pretty much the same thing that FW has now become just with more rules. It's just arena PVP that mostly happens in a 2 or 3 systems, with next to no roaming to find random fights. That's essentially what FW has become with all the fighting focused on 2 or 3 systems and pretty much the only thing anyone flys is frigs and destroyers.
Juliade
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#480 - 2013-01-10 12:51:18 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Cat Casidy wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:

You have never been a part of sovereignty warfare anyways. And you never log in. So... why do you care so much ?


Sov war was a joke before CCP started toying with it and it's a bigger joke now. The difference is, now you are forced into playing Sov War if you stay in FW. Did you ever consider that the reason I rarely log on, is because FW was largely the only thing that interested me in this game until CCP decided to fix it, by turning it into even a worse version of null sec.


This sounds like so many of the nullsec rants that losing alliances make.


hooray necro! also 5 hour dt is making me bored but to the point...Mutnin, Have you considered RvB?




Yes I've had an alt in RvB before and it was very very boring and way too limiting. It's pretty much the same thing that FW has now become just with more rules. It's just arena PVP that mostly happens in a 2 or 3 systems, with next to no roaming to find random fights. That's essentially what FW has become with all the fighting focused on 2 or 3 systems and pretty much the only thing anyone flys is frigs and destroyers.


So you are criticising fleets now having an actual purpose and not just doing random roams? And don't be mistaken, not everybody is in those fleets. Some still (de)plex other systems, as evidenced by the occupancy map. If you want solo pvp or small scale gangs, visit one of those systems.