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Could the Naga become a torp boat in the upcoming balance changes?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#61 - 2013-01-09 19:50:03 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
This thread again?

Sorry, but answer is still noPirate.



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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-01-09 19:52:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
spread unevenly across four races with each race having two main weapon systems


Unless you're Amarr, which means you have ships bonused for lasers, drones AND missiles. :\

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2013-01-09 19:56:12 UTC
Andski wrote:
Tippia wrote:
spread unevenly across four races with each race having two main weapon systems

Unless you're Amarr, which means you have ships bonused for lasers, drones AND missiles. :\

To be fair, the Gallente get that missile bonus too… but I'm not sure I'd call it a main weapon system just because they have one screwy T2 manufacturer. P
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-01-09 19:56:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
Tippia wrote:
spread unevenly across four races with each race having two main weapon systems


Unless you're Amarr, which means you have ships bonused for lasers, drones AND missiles. :\



...which is OK since Amarr ships badly need the ability to utilize other damage types than EM/Therm to stay competitive.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-01-09 20:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
...which is OK since Amarr ships badly need the ability to utilize other damage types than EM/Therm to stay competitive.


Hybrids are limited to kinetic/thermal and lasers are limited to EM/thermal. Projectiles are what's broken, not lasers or hybrids.

Also nobody flies Amarr missile ships and the only Amarr subcap drone boat of any consequence is the Curse

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2013-01-09 20:18:32 UTC
I dare say laser's monster cap use and terrible tracking has more to do with their limited use in PVP outside of AHAC/Hellcat platforms rather than their being limited to EM/therm, since everyone omni tanks in PVP anyway.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-01-09 20:20:13 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I dare say laser's monster cap use and terrible tracking has more to do with their limited use in PVP outside of AHAC/Hellcat platforms rather than their being limited to EM/therm, since everyone omni tanks in PVP anyway.


yes lasers have terrible tracking, that's why navypocs with pulses popped -A-'s 100mn tengus

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-01-09 20:22:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Opertone wrote:
Dear CCP,

please reintroduce Naga's 8 missile hardpoints and +5% ROF bonus
leave rail gun bonuses and 8 turrets too

we don't mind poor hardpoint placement



Me too wants 3 weapon bonus on Talos, Oracle and Tornado.

Roll

Edit: From another thread:

Quote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote: More seriously, we knew from day one we could not please everybody with the Naga no matter what we did with it. The real problem is not because players are lazy to train hybrids, but due to Caldari Hybrid ships being mostly underpowered, which leaves Caldari-oriented pilots little choice but to specialize into missiles to stay competitive. The little Merlin, Moa, Ferox, Rokh and their tech2 variants have been abandoned in the orphanage, all ashamed of themselves and hiding in a corner until we can give them the fondling love they rightfully deserve. Poor things.


Mr ytterbium, Calamari hybrids boats are far from underpowered !!!

Calamari ships trade the extra dmg of Gallente hulls for a HUGE RANGE DIFFERENCE with Gallente, when one uses Te's to be able to even threat something the other uses MFS to increase the dps of it's LONG RANGE HITTING BLASTERS.

So if there is or ever was some problem with hybrids caldari ships, the problem does not come from the ship it self but the poor guns and ammo on it!

Think about it some time !!!

NAO. or not.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-01-09 20:24:00 UTC
Make missiles not suck then this would be awesome.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2013-01-09 20:31:07 UTC
Andski wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I dare say laser's monster cap use and terrible tracking has more to do with their limited use in PVP outside of AHAC/Hellcat platforms rather than their being limited to EM/therm, since everyone omni tanks in PVP anyway.


yes lasers have terrible tracking, that's why navypocs with pulses popped -A-'s 100mn tengus

They popped them at scorch range, did they not? It's not exactly a secret that pulse lasers have the worst tracking of all the short range turrets.

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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#71 - 2013-01-09 20:38:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Solution use 1260 dps monster raven, well its cost more but able to use specific dmg type, and may be well fited with better tank bufor even active tank than paper Naga.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2013-01-09 21:11:05 UTC
If you want to change the Naga then you don't actually use one right now and I invite you to jump off a cliff.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#73 - 2013-01-09 21:13:41 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
They popped them at scorch range, did they not? It's not exactly a secret that pulse lasers have the worst tracking of all the short range turrets.
Having “the worst” tracking doesn't really matter if the differences are as small as they are and if engagement happen where tracking largely becomes a non-factor anyway.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#74 - 2013-01-09 21:19:44 UTC
Don't worry, the Naga is shaped like a huge railgun, so tis turrets are safe. If CCP release a Caldari T3BC that shoots missiles, it'll probably look like a huge launcher.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#75 - 2013-01-09 21:24:11 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Don't worry, the Naga is shaped like a huge railgun, so tis turrets are safe. If CCP release a Caldari T3BC that shoots missiles, it'll probably look like a huge launcher.



That... would be OK

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Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#76 - 2013-01-09 22:34:53 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
This thread again?

Sorry, but answer is still noPirate.

I do hope eventually you will take a good look at rebalancing missiles as a whole. It's such a shame that it is now becoming a myth that Caldari are a missile race stuck with the archaic Kinetic bonus.
Time and again the Rokh is used in fleets while the Raven is left at home.
Then there are the sniping Naga fleets.
The Merlin/Harpy gets all the good brawly action. The main reason the Hawk is used is because of the ASB.
I will concede the fact that the Caracal is now rebalenced in to a beautiful missile ship. But the Moa was nicely rebalanced also.
And The Ferox is being rebalanced and will probably be more used then the drake after these changes.

And I will be honest: one of the main reasons I want an 8 torp BC is for structure grinding. And scram, web, torps does sound like a lot of fun...
Cal Stantson
17eme Chasseurs a Cheval
#77 - 2013-01-09 22:42:45 UTC
The Naga was a torpship when it was first introduced on SiSi. It was terrible. The speed and tank of the ship make it wholly unsuitable to be a torpship.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-01-10 03:05:38 UTC
instead of this, how about just making torp boats GOOD...

there, done.

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#79 - 2013-01-10 04:12:00 UTC
the naga was orginally a torp/cruise missile boat when it first came out.

makes no sense why ccp would make two races hybrid capable gallante must really be bad with hybrids.Shocked
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-01-10 04:14:14 UTC
The Naga is a ******* awesome rail boat, why would you want it to change?