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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#61 - 2013-01-09 21:36:28 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
So your telling me 3 characters that can train at the same time on one account but only one can be used at a time is a game breaker and 3 characters across 3 accounts that can all log in at the same time is not?


Since the OP wanted the account with 3 training characters to be the same price as current accounts, yes.

Because the 3 Accounts cost more than 1 Account, and that penalizes having multiple accounts.


If it cost a PLEX a month to train an additional character on your account with a 2 PLEX starting Fee, that would be a fine way to make the bookkeeping easier.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#62 - 2013-01-09 21:38:33 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
So your telling me 3 characters that can train at the same time on one account but only one can be used at a time is a game breaker and 3 characters across 3 accounts that can all log in at the same time is not?


Since the OP wanted the account with 3 training characters to be the same price as current accounts, yes.

Because the 3 Accounts cost more than 1 Account, and that penalizes having multiple accounts.


If it cost a PLEX a month to train an additional character on your account with a 2 PLEX starting Fee, that would be a fine way to make the bookkeeping easier.

Why not just pay for the other accounts and have the ability to log in at the same time if you're going to pay for it anyway?

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#63 - 2013-01-09 21:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Option One:

Basic Account - $15, train one toon at a time
Silver Account - $25, train two toons at once
Gold Account - $30, train all three toons at once

Advantage over Multi-Account is that it costs less and you only need one login.
Disadvantage over Multi-Account is that you can still only fly one toon at a time.

Long term effect: More dedicated science/invention/PI/freighter/trade alts come into play, as they can be easily trained up on the backburner and only logged in when actually needed. Less work for CCP and players as many multi-accounts get condensed into single upgrade accounts.

"But CCP would lose money!" No, actually they would make more money, because they'd be tapping into the undiscovered market for all these people who would love to be able to train up science/invention/PI/freighter alts without having to use actual multiple accounts and all the headaches that go with it. People who want to multi-box would still need multiple accounts.

Option Two:

Spend a PLEX, get 45 days of training on an alt toon. Why 45 and not just 30? See above: You can still only fly one toon at a time, so extra training time is to offset the fact that you won't actually be flying that second toon while training is going on in the background.



Also...

Solstice Project wrote:
We never had this thread before.
There is no search function.
It's a brilliant idea.
Go DIAF.


Okay everyone, can anyone show me one single post by this guy that was anything other than poop covered e-peen waving & trolling? Seriously, dude, get a life.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#64 - 2013-01-09 21:59:57 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Why not just pay for the other accounts and have the ability to log in at the same time if you're going to pay for it anyway?
That's kind of the point: to make it work, you would have to make it a rather foolish option, which in turn makes it a bit pointless to implement to begin with.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#65 - 2013-01-09 22:00:06 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
So your telling me 3 characters that can train at the same time on one account but only one can be used at a time is a game breaker and 3 characters across 3 accounts that can all log in at the same time is not?


Since the OP wanted the account with 3 training characters to be the same price as current accounts, yes.

Because the 3 Accounts cost more than 1 Account, and that penalizes having multiple accounts.


If it cost a PLEX a month to train an additional character on your account with a 2 PLEX starting Fee, that would be a fine way to make the bookkeeping easier.

Why not just pay for the other accounts and have the ability to log in at the same time if you're going to pay for it anyway?


Some characters don't need to be permanently training. Cyno Alts, SuperCap pilots, etc, all have limits on what they can usefully train.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#66 - 2013-01-09 22:01:26 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Option One:

Basic Account - $15, train one toon at a time
Silver Account - $25, train two toons at once
Gold Account - $30, train all three toons at once

Advantage over Multi-Account is that it costs less and you only need one login.
Disadvantage over Multi-Account is that you can still only fly one toon at a time.

Long term effect: More dedicated science/invention/PI/freighter/trade alts come into play, as they can be easily trained up on the backburner and only logged in when actually needed. Less work for CCP and players as many multi-accounts get condensed into single upgrade accounts.

"But CCP would lose money!" No, actually they would make more money, because they'd be tapping into the undiscovered market for all these people who would love to be able to train up science/invention/PI/freighter alts without having to use actual multiple accounts and all the headaches that go with it. People who want to multi-box would still need multiple accounts.

Option Two:

Spend a PLEX, get 45 days of training on an alt toon. Why 45 and not just 30? See above: You can still only fly one toon at a time, so extra training time is to offset the fact that you won't actually be flying that second toon while training is going on in the background.



Also...

Solstice Project wrote:
We never had this thread before.
There is no search function.
It's a brilliant idea.
Go DIAF.


Okay everyone, can anyone show me one single post by this guy that was anything other than poop covered e-peen waving & trolling? Seriously, dude, get a life.

This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#67 - 2013-01-09 22:07:30 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login.


Why should CCP give you a discount?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#68 - 2013-01-09 22:12:44 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login.


Why should CCP give you a discount?


Because that's $10 more per month than they are making now, because without the discount he's not buying anything extra at all.

$10 > $0

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#69 - 2013-01-09 22:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
RubyPorto wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login.


Why should CCP give you a discount?

Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time?

Edit: In fact, I don't think I should be paying to have characters training at the same time on my own account. I'm already paying for the account. I'm compromising with the discount.

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Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#70 - 2013-01-09 22:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
SassyLassy wrote:
it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.

Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?



Simple from a purely business standpoint..
Po2, second account or whatever special they have at the time.

if you want to train more than one character at the same time, make a power of 2 account and have at it.

From a player view:

training multiple toons on the same account would require either reducing the training speed or some other mechanic and honestly it's just silly.
Sure you could say "I have 2, 3 year old characters with 45m SP each" wouldn't you really rather have 1 with 90m? and if cross training is in your view, having core skills on one toon makes it much easier to do as opposed to getting core skills all maxed on multiple toons.

Just my opinion though.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#71 - 2013-01-09 22:19:04 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time?
Because that's how much it costs to train a character?
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#72 - 2013-01-09 22:20:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time?
Because that's how much it costs to train a character?


^^ This too ^^

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#73 - 2013-01-09 22:21:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time?
Because that's how much it costs to train a character?

No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#74 - 2013-01-09 22:24:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account.
…and what you get for your sub is the ability to train one (1) character. If you want to train two, it's rather reasonable that you pay 2× that.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#75 - 2013-01-09 22:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account.
…and what you get for your sub is the ability to train one (1) character. If you want to train two, it's rather reasonable that you pay 2× that.

That's not in writing. If it was, I would not have agreed to it.

Edit: Maybe we should first clarify the distinction between a character training and an account, no?

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Sentinel zx
#76 - 2013-01-09 22:28:52 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time?
Because that's how much it costs to train a character?

No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account.


i don´t gate it why do you won´t train Multiple Accounts at the same time you can easy buy one or two high skilled ACC

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#77 - 2013-01-09 22:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
That's not in writing. If it was, I would not have agreed to it.
No, it is in functionality. Once account = one character in training. Want two characters in training? Get two accounts. It's kind of how the entire industry operates.

It's really really simple, and there's little to no reason to provide any discounts. In fact, if anything, it should get progressively worse: the more accounts (and characters) the more expensive each of them should become, but that would be impractical to be point of impossibility to actually monitor and regulate.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#78 - 2013-01-09 22:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Why not just pay for the other accounts and have the ability to log in at the same time if you're going to pay for it anyway?
That's kind of the point: to make it work, you would have to make it a rather foolish option, which in turn makes it a bit pointless to implement to begin with.

make it so that as long you are training the second char you can also log in with it in parallel. Pay2Play. If you payed for training in form of 30days gametime, there is no good reason why you shouldn't be able to multibox with it.

If you don't like it just use two accounts. I am sure both options will have their use cases.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#79 - 2013-01-09 22:47:12 UTC
here the full deal:

using one plex for your account will give you:
- 3 additional char slots (up to a sane limit)
- 30 days of training time for a char of your choice
- 3 dirty dancers

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Sentinel zx
#80 - 2013-01-09 22:52:09 UTC