Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I hear you. Unfortunately, though that is all MMOs that have that issue. At least they would have to go through some effort and risk to thier account, though.

Auto logoff after long periods of time would be helpful other places, too. What if you had someone at the door and you got sidetracked and left yourself in game?

-I am paying for my accounts, so if i want to keep an alt afk cloaked in a system while im at work i will do so
-If you can't use your bots with me being cloaked in yours system, so be it. No isk for you, lots of pleasure for me...I just finished training Tear Harvesting level 5.

Maybe you should look for other systems to your golems in? If you can't do **** with 1 dude being cloaked in your system you are doing it wrong my fwiend. So stop cluthering the forums with your ****** ideas!

Cloaking is fine, and even most of times i am not AFK!

Oh and next time i will start reporting bots again, most of times i can't be bothered as it takes effort. You know who i am talking to (WINK WINK HBC WINK)

An interesting post was placed on the thread I linked, my thanks to Jessica Danikov for the attention she gave it.

While I obviously do not agree with what she wrote, I appreciate the opportunity to debate this issue above the level of reflexive responses that repeat unconsidered phrases.

Here I rewrite some of my response from there, in the context more appropriate to this thread than that one.

Some have connected resistance to change as an idealistic issue. While possibly noble in specific cases, more often it is simply because change takes effort, and human nature despises any effort that is not seen as necessary.

That is the biggest obstacle EVE has in this case: the human nature of the players is pushing them to compete with the least possible amount of effort, and frankly free intel caters to this shamelessly.
The problem is that we have a section of the game meant for this play style, high sec. The fact that local chat can be used to effectively duplicate it is exactly what created AFK Cloaking.

The experience in high sec belongs exclusively in high sec. The rewards in low and null were never meant to be offered without accepting higher levels of risk, and that is not happening here.

I believe my sensor usage idea linked above offers a reasonable means of properly playing the game, one where use of a chat channel offers a lesser reward than can be achieved by proper effort with real sensors. Right now it is foolish to use sensors, as the chat channel gives more useful information according to most needs. That is a perfect example of a broken mechanic.

Some players are suggesting WH space, in a numbingly over-simplified comparison, is what null sec would transform into if local was changed.
WH space is not defined by a single difference, as that argument suggests. It simply points out it's more notable one, the difference in local chat. There are three other major differences alone that make it drastically different from null sec, let alone low or high sec.
For reference: No Outposts, No Market, and specifically limited access for entry, make this section of space a unique play experience above and beyond the simple absence of local chat's pilot roster alone.

No idea on these forums stands scrutiny with the expectation of direct insertion into the game. But they do point out a more seasoned approach to problems, and sometimes even a realization that an issue can have more than one side.
(How many seeking to nerf cloaks actually care how playable they are afterwards?)

It simply offers a more balanced and mutually play respective approach than: "nerf cloaks K thnx bye!"

would love to see this benefit explained in detail.

If that cloaked ship is piloted by a player who is 30km away playing tennis, YES!

Why? Because despite the fact that I am well and truly amazing (you should see my girlfriend, she is hawwwt, and my car....damn...) I still havn't figured out how to play this damn game while 30km away from my computer.

Of course, if I'm actually at my computer then I'm not AFK now am I, Mr. Genius? In fact, I'm actively playing the game and everything this working as intended.

Your problem is you can't figure out which. Is he there or is he AFK. In other words, you are succumbing to psychological warfare tactics. It isn't my problem that it is a successful way to deny you access to various in system assets.

I agree with this 100%. Bearing in null is fine so long as you also meet the other needs to be present. You detailed those in very reasonable terms as well.

I have also suggested proactive means such as this, pointing out how to combat tactics such as "AFK Cloaking".

Most either agree, or suggest that the cloaker has a titan and full battlegroup ready to be bridged over.

They might also win some lottery. But unless they play the game, they will never know.

As for the cloaky stuff... LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

Also: stop whining.

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