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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#21 - 2013-01-07 18:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Zor'katar
Solotta Erquilenne wrote:
since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.

If that was true, anyone flying T1 BCs with BC5 and less than Cruiser 5 would see a performance loss when they don't get the racial BC5. CCP has stated that only Cruiser 3 is necessary.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#22 - 2013-01-07 18:50:49 UTC
Solotta Erquilenne wrote:
since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.

lolololololol there are still people who can't figure it out...

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#23 - 2013-01-07 21:05:00 UTC
Solotta Erquilenne wrote:
since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.


A good troll, easily 7/10.

But seriously, you just need racial frigate to IV (to unlock racial cruiser) then racial cruiser to III in order to keep your Battlecruisers skill at the right level when the split comes. Don't let the trolls use illogical reasoning and nonsense to scare you :)

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Kimimaro Yoga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-01-08 17:11:28 UTC
Kurfin wrote:
I thought they said they wouldn't split them until the BCs had been reworked, or did I imagine that? If that the case I'd guess March at the earliest. Though to avoid disappointment I'd train it as soon as possible.


Not a guess, this is entirely correct. Gah, I can't find it now, but there was a Dev forum post that explicitly stated "the BC and destroyer skill changes will not be implemented until after the BC and BS rebalancing."

So if you are playing the down to the wire game, start watching for the announcement of the ship rebalancing patch. Now the skills might change at the same time, although probably won't be done until another patch later. But it's not supposed to happen until the next round of rebalancing is implemented (and apparently that isn't even on the test server yet).

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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#25 - 2013-01-09 11:21:15 UTC
I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-01-09 15:30:18 UTC
Glathull wrote:
I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears.

The really blissful part will happen when people get all excited about all that "free" SP they got, then undock and lose a big chunk of it because they forget to update the clone and get ganked.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-01-09 18:07:11 UTC
This was posted yesterday:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595
So the question is looking more like "will I be done training BC5 in time?"
Skurga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-01-09 18:31:45 UTC
Huttan Funaila wrote:
This was posted yesterday:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595
So the question is looking more like "will I be done training BC5 in time?"


15 days away with my alts.... I'm slowly getting nervous What?
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-01-09 19:12:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakach
I have a char with:
BC V
Amarr C V
Caldari C V
Gal C IV
Min C V

Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?
Skurga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-01-09 19:33:35 UTC
Barakach wrote:
I have a char with:
BC V
Amarr C V
Caldari C V
Gal C IV
Min C V

Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?


~8 days of training, some "free" sp, y not? Blink
Dave stark
#31 - 2013-01-09 19:35:13 UTC
Barakach wrote:
I have a char with:
BC V
Amarr C V
Caldari C V
Gal C IV
Min C V

Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?


if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely.
Skurga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-01-09 19:38:51 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Barakach wrote:
I have a char with:
BC V
Amarr C V
Caldari C V
Gal C IV
Min C V

Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?


if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely.


He has...you aren't able to train racial BC without racial Frig to at least lvl 4.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#33 - 2013-01-09 19:39:08 UTC
Huttan Funaila wrote:
This was posted yesterday:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595
So the question is looking more like "will I be done training BC5 in time?"


The new prophecy is sexy.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-01-09 19:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakach
Skurga wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Barakach wrote:
I have a char with:
BC V
Amarr C V
Caldari C V
Gal C IV
Min C V

Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?


if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely.


He has...you aren't able to train racial BC without racial Frig to at least lvl 4.


Yeah, they're all at 5

I hope I have time to train some.

edit: I got a bit turned around when reading lots of different posts on this topic. When is this going live? All I can find is a Dev from last year saying there is no release date. I think I saw someone state at least 25 days from the time it goes live on Tranq
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#35 - 2013-01-09 20:08:56 UTC
There is still no release date to my mind, especially because there's no announced date for this on the testing server. Dessy 5 is quick anyway.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#36 - 2013-01-11 05:19:09 UTC
Freighdee Katt wrote:
Glathull wrote:
I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears.

The really blissful part will happen when people get all excited about all that "free" SP they got, then undock and lose a big chunk of it because they forget to update the clone and get ganked.



Bingo. I'm going to have to remember to dock up in a station with medical facility the night before this goes live.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#37 - 2013-01-11 06:06:14 UTC
Barakach wrote:
When is this going live?


We finally have something more definitive:

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Are the Battlecruiser skills being split into racial version at the same time as these changes?

We have been planning to split the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills into racial variations (Details can be found in CCP Ytterbium's dev blog here) for a while, but we've been vague about the when. Originally I had hoped to get the changes into this point release, but we've seen an opportunity to both build better tools to help players understand the changes (communicating the mechanics involved is something we could have done better so far) and also combine the skill changes with some other adjustments that fit together well. So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring). We'll be working to make sure that as many people as possible understand the changes beforehand. I know that some of you may feel that we've been stringing you guys along since the changes were first proposed so long ago, but we're working to make sure a huge change like this is done in the most responsible way possible.

To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion.
Skurga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-01-11 09:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Skurga
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Barakach wrote:
When is this going live?


We finally have something more definitive:

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Are the Battlecruiser skills being split into racial version at the same time as these changes?

We have been planning to split the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills into racial variations (Details can be found in CCP Ytterbium's dev blog here) for a while, but we've been vague about the when. Originally I had hoped to get the changes into this point release, but we've seen an opportunity to both build better tools to help players understand the changes (communicating the mechanics involved is something we could have done better so far) and also combine the skill changes with some other adjustments that fit together well. So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring). We'll be working to make sure that as many people as possible understand the changes beforehand. I know that some of you may feel that we've been stringing you guys along since the changes were first proposed so long ago, but we're working to make sure a huge change like this is done in the most responsible way possible.

To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion.


Thanks for the link.

Edits says: Great news, no more time to worry not getting rdy soon enough!
Pitrolo Orti
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-01-12 03:09:50 UTC
yes u are fine!!! The world was supposed to end and it never happened so we are good!!!

Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-01-12 03:58:02 UTC
Happy to learn only cruiser 3 is necessary. Figured as much, nice to know for sure.

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