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When I returned, my Stealth Bomber no longer shot Cruise Missiles

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Sifortua Aristea
EVE University
Ivy League
#1 - 2013-01-09 15:29:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sifortua Aristea
Hello CCP,

I returned from a long break (4+ years) after having played EVE for about a year with some friends. Mostly casually (in terms of space explored, not time spent). Back then I "sacrificed" almost all my skill points to cut a path to the Nemesis Stealth Bomber and get comfortably seated in Covert Ops.

My friends joined a high-sec corporation and after a while the lack of a thrill made me quit EVE (eventually them too) and visit other more commonly known MMO's.

I am just wondering whether there used to be some sort of compensation for changing the main weapon used on the SB, like, a return of skill points for accompanied hours and actually the greater part of a month to spend if you would go all the way up to V again.

In my case, it's not that extreme. I just had the basic requirement for the bomber when I quit, with a set of basic skills to do mining runs with friends. But right now, I have to level Torpedoes to V before I could be even remotely useful to anyone and still level Stealth to V to get the Covert Ops cloaking device.

I'm basically just asking whether there was a form of compensation (I started with 280.000 skill point, but no idea where they came from and I used them before I found out that my Bomber was now useless) and whether I would still be eligible to it. It would help me out to bridge the loss of time (~half a month) and perhaps even allow me to find a corp that could use me, instead of sitting it out. Which is boring, for someone without the ability to solo 3 or 4s.

I'm aware that this might seem like a bit of a whiner thread, but it's not. I just want to know whether there was compensation and whether I'm still eligible for that. If not, fine too. Can't really blame me for trying, seeing that it would matter for over 226.275 skillpoints I spent in Cruise Missles (x5) and those points were purely taken to get to the SB.

Thank you for reading.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-01-09 15:34:14 UTC
The only time I have seen a compensation is when a specific skill was removed.
Ginger Barbarella
#3 - 2013-01-09 15:34:49 UTC
No compensation, and you cannot use cruise anymore on stealth bombers. Haven't been able to for years. If you check the ship stats that should become obvious.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-01-09 15:35:40 UTC
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Hello CCP,
still level Stealth to V to get the Covert Ops cloaking device.

Need only level 4 for the covops cloak. Also, CCP only tend to do SP reimbursements for removed skills (like Learning)
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#5 - 2013-01-09 15:35:55 UTC
No compensation.

I recommend skilling for a different ship entirely.

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Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-09 15:36:31 UTC
No there wasn't any compensation and a lot of fits use meta 4 launchers so you don't need torps 5 either. It will take you about 8 minutes training to get into one if you don't have torps 1 already and you could fly one before.
Sifortua Aristea
EVE University
Ivy League
#7 - 2013-01-09 15:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sifortua Aristea
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
No compensation, and you cannot use cruise anymore on stealth bombers. Haven't been able to for years. If you check the ship stats that should become obvious.


Gosh, you must be so good at reading. I think I mentioned this at least 5 times in my topic and you missed all of it. You must have a special form of intellectual brilliance to be able to do that.

Derath Ellecon wrote:
The only time I have seen a compensation is when a specific skill was removed.


Thank you very much. That's what I wanted to know.

tgl3 wrote:
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Hello CCP,
still level Stealth to V to get the Covert Ops cloaking device.

Need only level 4 for the covops cloak. Also, CCP only tend to do SP reimbursements for removed skills (like Learning)


Aye, you're right, I looked wrong. It's currently at III.

Mia Restolo wrote:
No there wasn't any compensation and a lot of fits use meta 4 launchers so you don't need torps 5 either. It will take you about 8 minutes training to get into one if you don't have torps 1 already and you could fly one before.


Al right, I didn't know this. Much of what I knew, and even that wasn't much, has left me, so I'm basically back to scratch. But it's good to hear this! thank you very much.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2013-01-09 15:38:04 UTC
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Hello CCP,

I returned from a long break (4+ years) after having played EVE for about a year with some friends. Mostly casually (in terms of space explored, not time spent). Back then I "sacrificed" almost all my skill points to cut a path to the Nemesis Stealth Bomber and get comfortably seated in Covert Ops.

My friends joined a high-sec corporation and after a while the lack of a thrill made me quit EVE (eventually them too) and visit other more commonly known MMO's.

I am just wondering whether there used to be some sort of compensation for changing the main weapon used on the SB, like, a return of skill points for accompanied hours and actually the greater part of a month to spend if you would go all the way up to V again.

In my case, it's not that extreme. I just had the basic requirement for the bomber when I quit, with a set of basic skills to do mining runs with friends. But right now, I have to level Torpedoes to V before I could be even remotely useful to anyone and still level Stealth to V to get the Covert Ops cloaking device.

I'm basically just asking whether there was a form of compensation (I started with 280.000 skill point, but no idea where they came from and I used them before I found out that my Bomber was now useless) and whether I would still be eligible to it. It would help me out to bridge the loss of time (~half a month) and perhaps even allow me to find a corp that could use me, instead of sitting it out. Which is boring, for someone without the ability to solo 3 or 4s.

I'm aware that this might seem like a bit of a whiner thread, but it's not. I just want to know whether there was compensation and whether I'm still eligible for that. If not, fine too. Can't really blame me for trying, seeing that it would matter for over 226.275 skillpoints I spent in Cruise Missles (x5) and those points were purely taken to get to the SB.

Thank you for reading.


Torps 4 and claoking 4 is all you need.

The torp bomber is so massively better than the old Cruise bomber that you will soon be very happy with your fittings-buffed, covert-ops cloaked 650 DPS ownmobile.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#9 - 2013-01-09 15:38:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
There was no compensation given, as you are still able to use cruise missile perfectly well... just not on that particular ship. Although you could consider getting a vastly more dangerous ship as compensation if you like (stealth bombers are much, much better than they used to be if properly outfitted and used).

The skill points you had sitting there for you when you returned was likely a refund of skill points spent on learning skills, as they were completely removed due to popular demand and base stats were raised (along with a skill point refund) as compensation.

Edit: Sorry for in part repeating what the others have said, they posted as I was typing out my reply.

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Sifortua Aristea
EVE University
Ivy League
#10 - 2013-01-09 15:41:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sifortua Aristea
Ranger 1 wrote:
There was no compensation given, as you are still able to use cruise missile perfectly well... just not on that particular ship. Although you could consider getting a vastly more dangerous ship as compensation if you like (stealth bombers are much, much better than they used to be if properly outfitted and used).

The skill points you had sitting there for you when you returned was likely a refund of skill points spent on learning skills, as they were completely removed due to popular demand and base stats were raised (along with a skill point refund) as compensation.

Edit: Sorry for in part repeating what the others have said, they posted as I was typing out my reply.


Alright, Thanks everyone, for the replies. That's all I wanted to know :)

Quote:
Edit: Sorry for in part repeating what the others have said, they posted as I was typing out my reply.


No worries. I'm happy you did. Yours was the most informative one either way :) But it told me what I wanted to know.

Can you actually fly missions now with a Stealth Bomber, or would that be ridiculous ?:P
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#11 - 2013-01-09 15:48:48 UTC
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
There was no compensation given, as you are still able to use cruise missile perfectly well... just not on that particular ship. Although you could consider getting a vastly more dangerous ship as compensation if you like (stealth bombers are much, much better than they used to be if properly outfitted and used).

The skill points you had sitting there for you when you returned was likely a refund of skill points spent on learning skills, as they were completely removed due to popular demand and base stats were raised (along with a skill point refund) as compensation.

Edit: Sorry for in part repeating what the others have said, they posted as I was typing out my reply.


Alright, Thanks everyone, for the replies. That's all I wanted to know :)


No sweat.

Take a close look at the bonuses now, and of course the use of a covert ops cloak doesn't hurt either.

Some of the better fits for a SB do indeed use meta gear instead of T2 gear, it depends on how you want to use the ship (although I'm still partial to tactics that use Javelin's... 100+km range has it's uses sometimes).

I don't have a link handy, but you might check YouTube for any videos' made by an informal group known as Bombers Bar for an idea of how they are used now. I believe anyone can fly with them (I could be wrong on that, there may be some restrictions) but they have a channel in game anyone can join to get involved in their ops.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-09 15:49:36 UTC
Yeah, you won't immediately need Torpedoes V for a bomber. T2 torp launchers are not trivial to fit on them, and thankfully meta 4 torp launchers are cheap as dirt.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#13 - 2013-01-09 15:50:35 UTC
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
There was no compensation given, as you are still able to use cruise missile perfectly well... just not on that particular ship. Although you could consider getting a vastly more dangerous ship as compensation if you like (stealth bombers are much, much better than they used to be if properly outfitted and used).

The skill points you had sitting there for you when you returned was likely a refund of skill points spent on learning skills, as they were completely removed due to popular demand and base stats were raised (along with a skill point refund) as compensation.

Edit: Sorry for in part repeating what the others have said, they posted as I was typing out my reply.


Alright, Thanks everyone, for the replies. That's all I wanted to know :)

Quote:
Edit: Sorry for in part repeating what the others have said, they posted as I was typing out my reply.


No worries. I'm happy you did. Yours was the most informative one either way :) But it told me what I wanted to know.

Can you actually fly missions now with a Stealth Bomber, or would that be ridiculous ?:P


I occasionally do some missions in a stealth bomber... anything that can be kited, but if you get tackled its over... and they were the ship of choice for doing Faction Warfare missions (although I'm not sure if that is still true).

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Sifortua Aristea
EVE University
Ivy League
#14 - 2013-01-09 15:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sifortua Aristea
Ranger 1 wrote:
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
There was no compensation given, as you are still able to use cruise missile perfectly well... just not on that particular ship. Although you could consider getting a vastly more dangerous ship as compensation if you like (stealth bombers are much, much better than they used to be if properly outfitted and used).

The skill points you had sitting there for you when you returned was likely a refund of skill points spent on learning skills, as they were completely removed due to popular demand and base stats were raised (along with a skill point refund) as compensation.

Edit: Sorry for in part repeating what the others have said, they posted as I was typing out my reply.


Alright, Thanks everyone, for the replies. That's all I wanted to know :)


No sweat.

Take a close look at the bonuses now, and of course the use of a covert ops cloak doesn't hurt either.

Some of the better fits for a SB do indeed use meta gear instead of T2 gear, it depends on how you want to use the ship (although I'm still partial to tactics that use Javelin's... 100+km range has it's uses sometimes).

I don't have a link handy, but you might check YouTube for any videos' made by an informal group known as Bombers Bar for an idea of how they are used now. I believe anyone can fly with them (I could be wrong on that, there may be some restrictions) but they have a channel in game anyone can join to get involved in their ops.


I will most definitely do this. Thank you very much. I read some online guides yesterday and a few swore to stick to TII, while a few mentioned going with, well, your meta I think. I just followed what seemed to me like the majority vote there. If that's not actually required, I'll switch around to Cloak IV instead and then follow that up with some more basic mission running skills, since I can actually fly a Cruiser or Battle Cruiser.

Using EVEmon to plan it all out for me right now, so that's where my "must have this and that" idea come from :)

Quote:

I occasionally do some missions in a stealth bomber... anything that can be kited, but if you get tackled its over... and they were the ship of choice for doing Faction Warfare missions (although I'm not sure if that is still true).


Aye, I figured the same. I'll remember that, Faction Warfare missions :P
Ghazu
#15 - 2013-01-09 16:00:17 UTC
oh christ call the human rights lawyers.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Sifortua Aristea
EVE University
Ivy League
#16 - 2013-01-09 16:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sifortua Aristea
Ghazu wrote:
oh christ call the human rights lawyers.


I think we're past that point right now. I have chosen to settle. Thank you for coming and posting random crap to up your postcount. Maybe you'll even get some likes for doing jack **** :)
bufnitza calatoare
#17 - 2013-01-09 16:13:13 UTC
tgl3 wrote:
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Hello CCP,
still level Stealth to V to get the Covert Ops cloaking device.

Need only level 4 for the covops cloak. Also, CCP only tend to do SP reimbursements for removed skills (like Learning)



yes strange how he didn't mention his skill point pool...
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-01-09 16:18:28 UTC
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
There was no compensation given, as you are still able to use cruise missile perfectly well... just not on that particular ship. Although you could consider getting a vastly more dangerous ship as compensation if you like (stealth bombers are much, much better than they used to be if properly outfitted and used).

The skill points you had sitting there for you when you returned was likely a refund of skill points spent on learning skills, as they were completely removed due to popular demand and base stats were raised (along with a skill point refund) as compensation.

Edit: Sorry for in part repeating what the others have said, they posted as I was typing out my reply.


Alright, Thanks everyone, for the replies. That's all I wanted to know :)


No sweat.

Take a close look at the bonuses now, and of course the use of a covert ops cloak doesn't hurt either.

Some of the better fits for a SB do indeed use meta gear instead of T2 gear, it depends on how you want to use the ship (although I'm still partial to tactics that use Javelin's... 100+km range has it's uses sometimes).

I don't have a link handy, but you might check YouTube for any videos' made by an informal group known as Bombers Bar for an idea of how they are used now. I believe anyone can fly with them (I could be wrong on that, there may be some restrictions) but they have a channel in game anyone can join to get involved in their ops.


I will most definitely do this. Thank you very much. I read some online guides yesterday and a few swore to stick to TII, while a few mentioned going with, well, your meta I think. I just followed what seemed to me like the majority vote there. If that's not actually required, I'll switch around to Cloak IV instead and then follow that up with some more basic mission running skills, since I can actually fly a Cruiser or Battle Cruiser.

Using EVEmon to plan it all out for me right now, so that's where my "must have this and that" idea come from :)

Quote:

I occasionally do some missions in a stealth bomber... anything that can be kited, but if you get tackled its over... and they were the ship of choice for doing Faction Warfare missions (although I'm not sure if that is still true).


Aye, I figured the same. I'll remember that, Faction Warfare missions :P


Stealth bombers are really nice for ninja belt-ratting in 0.0. Just go from belt to belt, pick off the BS rats, and maybe the BCs, leave the rest, and just move from system to system. This is also really nice for rebuilding your sec status.

As for T1 vs T2... obviously use what you can. For PvP, you might find you need the fittings for other mods. For PvE, upgrade to t2 launchers as soon as you can.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sifortua Aristea
EVE University
Ivy League
#19 - 2013-01-09 16:28:19 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
tgl3 wrote:
Sifortua Aristea wrote:
Hello CCP,
still level Stealth to V to get the Covert Ops cloaking device.

Need only level 4 for the covops cloak. Also, CCP only tend to do SP reimbursements for removed skills (like Learning)



yes strange how he didn't mention his skill point pool...


Yeah..strange.. OH WAIT IT WAS HIDDEN BEHIND TEXT *shocker*

Quote:

(I started with 280.000 skill point, but no idea where they came from and I used them before I found out that my Bomber was now useless)
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2013-01-09 18:34:20 UTC
Sifortua Aristea wrote:

I'm aware that this might seem like a bit of a whiner thread, but it's not.


Im not sure If i believe you, but you have a trustworthy face.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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