EVE General Discussion

You have absolutely no clue how much effort goes into effective ganking.

if you want some tips:

for a mackinaw, anywhere but gallente space, you can solo it in a brutix and you can solo it in a thorax with good skills if it's not tanked (look for a DCII or shield extenders) - there's a couple fits for a mack that can beat a solo brutix but they're so inefficent for mining you won't see them anywhere but gallente space

hulks if untanked can be taken out by a brutix but not a thorax in .7 or below, again look for DCII, shield extenders (only mediums really matter) or reinforced bulkhrads

if you see a group of 4+ macks around an orca, fit a typhoon with 8 smartbombs and cap injectors: you can time the cap injection to get another round of smartbombs off after concord neuts you, and done properly you'll kill them all at once. if you use two, you'll definitely get them all, and their pods

if you don't want to deal with sec status problems, stop before you hit -2. if you don't care, you can find our guide to ganking at -5 around

…as can the gankers, but they don't because they don't want something as boring and as safe as L4s — they want to gank. Just like the miners want to mine.

The point here is instead that, unless those miners are losing a Hulk/Mac for every 15–20h in the belts, their risk vs. reward is far better than the gankers, who generally operate at a loss or at best (if they have some help/alts) at break-even. So when people ask “how does the loss of the miner stack up against that of the ganker” or when they ask “where are the risks”, there is the answer: the losses aren't nearly as bad, and the risks are significant…

…the actual “problem” is that the gankers are not concerned about the risks — in fact, one might rather suspect that the risk is the draw rather than some kind of hindrance.

One might even venture to guess that this is why this whole discussion exists: because the miners assume that measure that would stop them from doing something will stop others, when it's not really a factor for those others and the solution will both fail to solve the perceived problem, and cause entirely new problems to pop up.

What makes me laugh is why do people that gank always think that somebody that speaks out against it mines.


I don't mine, find it boring tried it years back, it's just not my thing.

Also don't haul anything, not even that keen on high-sec.

And as for tears, got none of those, sorry :)

so you don't have the excuse that your extremely dumb opinions are due to self-interest, that's not really a positive

Just like how the victimes always think that someone who condones ganks is a ganker.

Tippia, you implied that losing a Hulk is not a net loss to a miner. Can you explain the reasoning behind that?

ignoring the fact that i have never made a direct comment to your alliance, i take it you are not going to hold your ground for too long



my point is clear, in the current situation there is no situation were a miner "wins". it will always be a greater lose of the miners side regardless of prep, diligence, and tank.

any group of yahoos can create an alt, train it for a couple months warp to zero and pulse smart bombs until the miner's ship and pod are dead.

eve is about risk vs reward, and wars are fought with isk. you are fighting a war that you cannot loose because your tools are better, cheeper, in more supply, take less time ti build, requires less investment, and can be everywhere.

You aren't supposed to win at mining. If you want to get involved in minerals, go join a drone region alliance.

Does it matter who your main is?

I have three characters; two I use all the time and the third I don't.

Of the two that I use - one is no more main than the other . Yes, one is older than the other but the younger is richer and has better prospects than the elder.

People do get so hung up on this main/alt business when it doesn't appy.