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Can only train skills on one character?

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Logain Mahoney
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-09 04:19:37 UTC
So I have been playing for about a month now and decided today I wanted to start training an alt. I created him and started running through the earliest tutorial stuff and then tried to set some skills to train. I received a message saying I can't train skills on more than one character at a time. What's the deal with this? Can you seriously not progress a second character unless you agree to stagnate your primary? I guess I'm just looking for some confirmation that this is just how it is... Disappointment.

Thankyou for any and all light you can shed on the topic!

Stil
Kraillach
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-09 04:30:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kraillach
that is correct, u can only train skills on 1 toon per account.

if you want an alt id create a new account and start trainin that way.

so just to confirm 2 accounts for 2 toons training.

and trust me once u start doin that u cant stop i started with 1 but now have 4, i kno chaps that have 10+ accy's.....
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#3 - 2013-01-09 04:37:10 UTC
Confirming. Additional accounts are required.

And btw, no, no other games really allow you to do this because no other games use passive character progression...

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vikari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-09 06:52:04 UTC
A lot of people think this is purely a tactic by CCP to make you pay for more account. However there is a second side to it. In the old days, there were some loop holes. The first was prior to CCP allowing character trades. People could activate an account put in a long skill to train, usually 60+ days and then let the account become inactive. It was called ghost training. It's pretty obvious that EVE players abused it heavily. They put and end to it. Established many of the rules we have today. They quickly (I can't remember if it was at the same time, or roughly around the same time) set up character trades. It didn't take long for people to notice that if you had an account with a character that was training, and transferred another character that was training on another account, the end result would be two characters training on one account. People started stacking characters. Everyone had difference reasons, I think one of the biggest was for manufacturing characters for sale, such as cloakly cyno alt characters. This was ultimately used by EVE players with the intention of having faster character growth then the typical player had. CCP did resolve this, and we sit now with a system that lets you have 3 characters, but one can train per account. To be fair, it is the same as any other game. Look at wow, you can only play one character on an account at a time.
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-01-09 07:11:56 UTC
In WOW, you can have one (1) character training while you are logged in. While you are sleeping, you can have zero (0) characters training.
In EVE, you can have one (1) character training while you are logged in. While you are sleeping, you still have one (1) character training.
I'm not sure why people think this is so terrible.
vikari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-01-09 07:16:13 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
\And btw, no, no other games really allow you to do this because no other games use passive character progression...




This is actually not true. Alganon is an example of another mmo that uses passive leveling to grow your character. There are a few out there. None of which really compete with EVE. Different game style, and EVE is by far the largest player base and virtual world out of the group.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#7 - 2013-01-09 07:47:56 UTC
Maire Gheren wrote:
In WOW, you can have one (1) character training while you are logged in. While you are sleeping, you can have zero (0) characters training.
In EVE, you can have one (1) character training while you are logged in. While you are sleeping, you still have one (1) character training.
I'm not sure why people think this is so terrible.


Well it's hardly fair to compare WoW's character progression speed (lightning fast to MAX) to EVE (painfully slow), but point taken :)
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#8 - 2013-01-09 08:00:33 UTC
vikari wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
\And btw, no, no other games really allow you to do this because no other games use passive character progression...




This is actually not true. Alganon is an example of another mmo that uses passive leveling to grow your character. There are a few out there. None of which really compete with EVE. Different game style, and EVE is by far the largest player base and virtual world out of the group.


Right, should have put in a [*] for a footnote saying (Any other games that anyone cares about) xD

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#9 - 2013-01-09 08:36:43 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Right, should have put in a
  • for a footnote saying (Any other games that anyone cares about) xD

  • * Games people have actually heard of.

    :)
    Aptenodytes
    Reckless Abandon
    #10 - 2013-01-09 11:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aptenodytes
    Why do you want an alt, anyway? For a newbie there really is very little reason. It's not like other games where you might want a fighter and a healer and an orc and a panda, or whatever. Your main in EVE can switch "classes" by simply training a new skill and switching ship. By having 2 different characters you actually have a significant disadvantage: all the secondary support skills need to be trained twice. You will be jack of all trades and master of none. Unless you have a second account, you're much better off training up your main to do the jobs that you want your alt to do.

    For a new player, there are really very few reasons to create an alt. The ones I can think of off the top of my head are:
    - Hauling/trade alt, for moving stuff to Jita to sell
    - PVP alt, if you want to join RvB, E-Uni or something
    - Scamming alt

    Once you get more into the game you might find reasons for an alt... and by that time, you won't mind sacrificing training your main for the advantages the alt gives you. But the chances are that as a new player, you're better off training the skills on your main.
    Eternal Montage
    Myriad Sequence
    #11 - 2013-01-09 14:39:44 UTC
    You can grow an alt on another account and then transfer it to your main account when you're ready. Bam, 2 toons on one account, granted you had to pay for two accounts temporarily...
    J'Poll
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #12 - 2013-01-09 18:01:30 UTC
    Aptenodytes wrote:
    Why do you want an alt, anyway? For a newbie there really is very little reason. It's not like other games where you might want a fighter and a healer and an orc and a panda, or whatever. Your main in EVE can switch "classes" by simply training a new skill and switching ship. By having 2 different characters you actually have a significant disadvantage: all the secondary support skills need to be trained twice. You will be jack of all trades and master of none. Unless you have a second account, you're much better off training up your main to do the jobs that you want your alt to do.

    For a new player, there are really very few reasons to create an alt. The ones I can think of off the top of my head are:
    - Hauling/trade alt, for moving stuff to Jita to sell
    - PVP alt, if you want to join RvB, E-Uni or something
    - Scamming alt

    Once you get more into the game you might find reasons for an alt... and by that time, you won't mind sacrificing training your main for the advantages the alt gives you. But the chances are that as a new player, you're better off training the skills on your main.


    Another alt: cyno alt.

    And in general, if you dont know what you are going to do with an alt/extra account, you dont need it.

    And tell me any decent MMO that lets you log in 2 characters on the same account at all, let alone use them both at the same time grinding XP. EvE isnt different in this, the only thing that is different is that you grind skillpoints (the EvE kind of XP) 24/7.

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    vikari
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #13 - 2013-01-09 20:04:28 UTC
    Only a few reasons I can see you wanting multiple characters early on in your EVE game play.

    - PVE alt (extra miner/hauler/logistics for missions/salvager/extra mission dps, etc etc)
    - PI (Planetary Interaction) Alt - additional income
    - Trade/Market alt (afk trade missions)
    - R&D alt (still recommended you don't rush this though).


    Alts are not really needed immediately if your intent was to:
    Cyno Alt - they are so quick to make, you can wait till you are ready to get your capital before making it.
    PVP Alt - PVE and PVP have many of the same support skills, to be honest a lot of mission alts can quickly change into PVP.
    Capital Alt - Ambitions of supers should wait till you are established in the game, no other capital requires it's own character.
    Utsen Dari
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #14 - 2013-01-11 08:25:28 UTC
    Thomas Gore wrote:
    Maire Gheren wrote:
    In WOW, you can have one (1) character training while you are logged in. While you are sleeping, you can have zero (0) characters training.
    In EVE, you can have one (1) character training while you are logged in. While you are sleeping, you still have one (1) character training.
    I'm not sure why people think this is so terrible.


    Well it's hardly fair to compare WoW's character progression speed (lightning fast to MAX) to EVE (painfully slow), but point taken :)

    And yet, a rookie in EVE can have a major impact on the game experience of older characters in ways that are impossible in games like WOW where the endgame is solely dependent on character power.

    In WOW the rookie sits in town gawking at the earthbound gods /flexing in front of him. In EVE the rookie tackles those guys while his buddies beat them up.... or ruthlessly scams them out of their stuffs... or plunders their industrial operations etc etc
    ShahFluffers
    Ice Fire Warriors
    #15 - 2013-01-11 09:11:40 UTC
    Show me a game where you can train multiple characters on the same account at the same time.
    Minmatar Citizen160812
    The LGBT Last Supper
    #16 - 2013-01-11 15:29:04 UTC
    Maire Gheren wrote:
    In WOW, you can have one (1) character training while you are logged in. While you are sleeping, you can have zero (0) characters training.
    In EVE, you can have one (1) character training while you are logged in. While you are sleeping, you still have one (1) character training.
    I'm not sure why people think this is so terrible.


    Because you can exploit xp gain to powerlevel to the cap and have everything in a week? When critters killed by friends = xp for you it's possible to afk powerlevel while you sleep? It's not really that hard to understand...they PL a PvE toon then PL a PvP toon then PL a vanity toon then they PL a furry chick toon then etc.. Then they land here and have no idea what to do because no matter how hard you farm it'll still take X number of days to get the LvL80 ship and there is no answer for "best pvp build".
    Nariya Kentaya
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #17 - 2013-01-11 21:06:32 UTC
    ShahFluffers wrote:
    Show me a game where you can train multiple characters on the same account at the same time.

    Vindictus, up to 6 characters on an account all gathering SP passively.

    granted the game ahs been ****** the last couple of years. but hey, you asked for one.
    Ryan Hendrix
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #18 - 2013-01-12 11:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryan Hendrix
    I am also a newbie, and ran into the same thing. I knew the rule, and i am seeing the point of this rules.

    On this toon, i have a little over 2m skillpoints, but they are very scattered around. Most of them are in military skills though. But i also tried production, and a little hauling. I decided now that i ultimately want to train this alt to become strong in military. Be it PVE, be it PVP.

    But i also started an alt on the same account, to try out a little bit of mining ( this toon is really fresh, . First of all i like it because i can do it semi afk, so while browsing or watching tv. But second to this, i can see it really being fun when done in a group environment. Especially in the weekend nights, slightly drunk. P

    Training an alt for this,has, in my very limited expierenced viewpoint, the following two benefits :
    1) my main can roam around the universe, while my alt stays at the most jucy mining systems. ( my main likes to fiind quiet lowsec systems and bounty hunt some rats)
    2) If i get killed i will not have to pay for the skillpoints ( clone upgrade)
    And the following disadvantages:
    1) double training certain support skills
    2) I really want to get into some nice corp one day, and i can imagine they dont like it when you are wasting skillpoints by training multiple characters on the same account

    So my question is: What do you suggest,... Should i train my mining skills on my main, or my alt? Do i forget some advantages for making my decision?
    Enderr Wiggin
    University of Caille
    Gallente Federation
    #19 - 2013-01-13 08:15:17 UTC
    Ryan Hendrix wrote:
    I am also a newbie, and ran into the same thing. I knew the rule, and i am seeing the point of this rules.

    On this toon, i have a little over 2m skillpoints, but they are very scattered around. Most of them are in military skills though. But i also tried production, and a little hauling. I decided now that i ultimately want to train this alt to become strong in military. Be it PVE, be it PVP.

    But i also started an alt on the same account, to try out a little bit of mining ( this toon is really fresh, . First of all i like it because i can do it semi afk, so while browsing or watching tv. But second to this, i can see it really being fun when done in a group environment. Especially in the weekend nights, slightly drunk. P

    Training an alt for this,has, in my very limited expierenced viewpoint, the following two benefits :
    1) my main can roam around the universe, while my alt stays at the most jucy mining systems. ( my main likes to fiind quiet lowsec systems and bounty hunt some rats)
    2) If i get killed i will not have to pay for the skillpoints ( clone upgrade)
    And the following disadvantages:
    1) double training certain support skills
    2) I really want to get into some nice corp one day, and i can imagine they dont like it when you are wasting skillpoints by training multiple characters on the same account

    So my question is: What do you suggest,... Should i train my mining skills on my main, or my alt? Do i forget some advantages for making my decision?

    Eve is a sandbox. It allows you to do almost anything you want. I think the best suggestion is to decide for yourself what you like to do the most, and then focus your skill training on it. You want to be a miner? Focus. Do pvp/pve? Focus. Fly a certain ship that you like? Focus. Otherwise you may end up crappy at a lot of things.

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