EVE General Discussion

Does anyone know if CCP are planning a change on attributes?

We all know that it is best to remap to max out a single attribute depending on what you want to train for...

navigation + spaceship command + gunnery + missiles = perception

science + PI + indy + engi + elec = intel

leadership + social = charisma

trade = willpower

drones = memory

... does his sound a little unbalanced to anyone else? Isn't drones a weapon? Isn't trade closer to social??

Sounds perfectly fine to me. But then, you're not asking the question you want to ask, and not telling us the whole story.

Way to completely ignore the secondaries.

So general discussion is now a Goonz troll forum??

No I don't want another remap. After a remap (putting everything into 1 catagory as everyone does so they can train the fastest) secondaries get about 2 points, so yes, essentially they are sort of redundant.

There are so many ways CCP could fix this.

1) remove secondaries altogether and change remap to 9 months.

2)reduce the attributes to only 3 instead of 5

those are only 2 quick ideas, but surely i can get a sensible reply not just some trolling ?

No i'm not saying change HOW we train, just make it more efficient. (not necessarily faster)

Do you actually break even doing that, though?

Counterpoint: Figure out your skill plan more than 3 or 4 days ahead and realise that if you want to train a few willpower skills, some memory skills and a perception skill you're going to need to figure out the right balance of stats to optimise the total time taken across all of them. (And secondary stats is important for this.)

If you want a system where you train missiles, and then remap to train drones and then remap to train gunnery: no that is dumb.

remaps for isk would be a nice isk sink to the game

No, after a remap, the secondary gets exactly 4 points, meaning 2 SP more per minute for that skill and 4 SP more per minute for the flipped-attribute skills (a fun quirk which makes removing them a silly notion). This does not make them redundant — it just makes them secondary.

3) Do nothing because there's not really anything to fix. I suppose they could add more skills to some of the lesser-used combos, but that's about it.

What you're asking for is a reduction of decisions and consequences. That rather goes against the fibre of the game. Yes, if you pick poorly, you train less efficiently. That's the whole point: so you consider your choices properly and don't do anything rash.

Removing secondaries is a stupid idea because it makes for fewer combinations and fewer choices, and it removes the ability to combine A+B and B+A skills as an efficient mix.
Reducing remap time is a stupid idea because it lessens the impact of your choices.
Reducing the number of attributes is a stupid idea for much the same reason as removing secondaries.

Your main problem with your proposals is that there is no problem for your proposed solutions to solve.

Allowing players to pay to bypass core game mechanics is a horrible idea.
If we get that, can I also get the ability to pay ISK to bypass the damage mechanic, please?

Humour.
Attributes are a game mechanic that does not in any way differentiate between high and low SP and which is no harder for new players to learn than any other in the game.

How does it suck? Is it because you have to make choices?

But yes, being able to pay to bypass that mechanic would indeed suck for new players.