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sec level 2 missions with elder sages and priests, wtf.

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Nox Frigaton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-08 23:36:23 UTC
My dps is lowish, about 130 or so, and I can't bust through these guys armor repair, even with 5 light drones on them. I don't get it, level 2 mission this hard, really? Is this normal, a blood raider thing, or what?

Keep in mind, most missions I get are easy and things die quick, then once in a while, this crap.
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-08 23:44:00 UTC
130dps for lvl 2?!?!?! *starts laughing like a maniak*
Im afraid to ask but WTF you fly in? T1 omen does more than that with crappy skills.
Nox Frigaton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-09 00:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nox Frigaton
I've outfitted many ships, including a destroyer with 8 level 2 energy beams and barely broke 150 (coercer). glad that's funny to you though.

It's a drake, outfitted with 7 limos heavy launchers with scourge missiles and two BCS Is (standard, not named).

4 light drones.
Cage Man
Comms Black
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2013-01-09 01:39:46 UTC
What is the mission called? also HML are not the best to be shooting frigs, if that is what they are, with low missile support skills. try fitting light launchers. Still, shouldn't have a problem, but I can't find the mission so can't say for sure what is going on.
Chelly Tau
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-09 04:51:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Chelly Tau
Nox Frigaton wrote:
I've outfitted many ships, including a destroyer with 8 level 2 energy beams and barely broke 150 (coercer). glad that's funny to you though.

It's a drake, outfitted with 7 limos heavy launchers with scourge missiles and two BCS Is (standard, not named).

4 light drones.


Try fitting 2 light missile launchers instead of heavies, that's what I did when I did lv3 missions since I was in a Drake with only Drones 4 like you. I put LMLs in because I found frigates are usually the ones leftover in the end and take forever to kill with HMLs, even with a target painter fitted. In fact, since you're doing lv2 you might want to use more than 2, test it out and find a balance between the optimal number of LMLs for frigates and HMLs for anything bigger.

Oh, and think about fitting 4 BCS. I can't really think of anything else that's worth putting in the lows since with 2 rat-specific shield hardeners, 2 large shield extenders and 2 core defense field purgers I almost never had any problem with my tank, even with just 1.5mil-ish SP when I started doing lv3.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2013-01-09 05:00:03 UTC
Elder is Blood Raiders' elite tag. They have much higher resists than normal -- enough to screw with your kinetic bonus. Try firing Mjolnir missiles at them instead.

Also, BCUs. At least two, preferably four for L2s.
Matthew97
#7 - 2013-01-09 09:00:01 UTC
The bigger question is..... Why are you using a drake to do level 2's? Lol
Cage Man
Comms Black
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-01-09 18:56:47 UTC
Matthew97 wrote:
The bigger question is..... Why are you using a drake to do level 2's? Lol


Probably because he can't fly a T3 yet Twisted
Kery Nysell
#9 - 2013-01-09 19:33:43 UTC
Caracal + Rapid Light Launchers + AB + tank + BCSes + Mjolnir Light Missiles = problem solved.

A Battlecruiser is overkill for the level 2 missions, even more so with Heavy/Heavy Assault missiles, as you'll be facing more Frigates than Cruisers ... of course, that's another story for level 3 missions, where the ratio of Frigates/Cruisers is inversed.

That said, with almost perfect Missile skills, I can do level 2 missions in a Corax with Light Missiles, without needing my tank ... speed + range (47 kms with Tech 2 Furies) mean I can dictate what hits me, and I usually melt Frigates in 1 to 3 volleys, 3 to 6 for Cruisers ...

BTW, work on your skills, 130ish DPS with Heavy Missiles is terribad, I can get up to 185+ with Light Missiles ...

...

Kate Stenton
Foundation Enterprises
#10 - 2013-01-09 20:34:12 UTC
The listed 150dps is only if your missiles are hitting for full damage. Against elite frigs they are doing almost nothing. Even though your Corercer might seem weaker, it will actually apply more damage than HML's. A Drake in L2 missions is not ideal, use a Caracal as suggested or a Destroyer or something designed to kill smaller ships.
Flakey Foont
#11 - 2013-01-09 20:39:31 UTC
This is what happens when one rushes into ships they can't fly properly.
Cage Man
Comms Black
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-01-09 20:55:22 UTC
Eve is supposed to be about fun, do it your way and ignore the trolls... put the light launchers on the drake and you will be fine.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-01-09 21:12:01 UTC
Rapid LML's should work aswell.


Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#14 - 2013-01-09 21:39:30 UTC
Kate Stenton wrote:
The listed 150dps is only if your missiles are hitting for full damage. Against elite frigs they are doing almost nothing. Even though your Corercer might seem weaker, it will actually apply more damage than HML's. A Drake in L2 missions is not ideal, use a Caracal as suggested or a Destroyer or something designed to kill smaller ships.


Again, the specific ships mentioned are not elite frigates. They are elite cruisers. RLMLs may and may not help against them; it depends on the fit and missile support skills. But I guarantee switching to Mjolnir will make a difference.
Piugattuk
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-01-09 22:48:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Did you fit ballistic control units? More dps, with low skills you would be better off using light missiles esp lvl 2's cause there's nothing in lvl 2's that should be able to tank 7 lights hitting them, stay away from heavies until your skills improve for heavies otherwise you get this.

Keep in mind with low skills you will still have trouble with elite frigs.

2. Bigger isn't always better try a destroyer like corax rocket or light fit put an AB on and shield booster, and rocket fuel rigs for range and you'll hit them out over 50 km with lights.

3. Im getting a root canal done as I write this...that's no fun bring on the priests!
Musashi Date
#16 - 2013-01-10 03:32:51 UTC
Most likely this is Recon 1, I remember doing one for hours with a low SP Arbitrator totally ignoring my orders to just 'recon'.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-01-10 04:37:04 UTC
Musashi Date wrote:
Most likely this is Recon 1, I remember doing one for hours with a low SP Arbitrator totally ignoring my orders to just 'recon'.

This is what I think, but I'm not sure since I've never seen BR version of it.
If that's the case, you should ignore anything that spawns there, you aren't really supposed to kill them in that mission. Chances are that you can't do that at this point, and later in the game (say, with lvl4 version of Recon) it's sometimes not worth it.
Don't forget your prop mod to finish Recon in timely matter.

By the way, elite cruisers adequately go down to something like 150 DPS of best damage type or so, I believe, but even if I'm not mistaken there, it's still tedious.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#18 - 2013-01-10 15:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Nox Frigaton wrote:
I've outfitted many ships, including a destroyer with 8 level 2 energy beams and barely broke 150 (coercer). glad that's funny to you though.

It's a drake, outfitted with 7 limos heavy launchers with scourge missiles and two BCS Is (standard, not named).

4 light drones.

Well there is your problem. It is not your DPS per say. Level 2 missions are not meant to be done with battlecruisers. the medium guns, or in your case, heavy missiles have trouble hitting the small fast targets. Level 2 missions should not be run in anything bigger than a cruiser. They are actually balanced for destroyers. Level 3 missions is when you should be getting into a battlecruiser. But you must have your support skills up. Being able to fit the launchers, does you no good if you do not have the support skills for them to apply damage.

Not that a drake can not do these missions. You should certainly have zero issues with tank. Try fitting a full rack of rapid light missile launchers. light missiles hit small targets much harder than heavy missiles. Small targets, like the NPC's you get in level 2 missions, are much easier to kill with light missiles than with heavy missiles.

You should get Missile Launcher Operation (MLO) to 4 now, and to 5 ASAP if you do not already have it.

missile support skills you need to train and their prerequsite MLO level include;
Guided missile precision - MLO 5
Missile bombardment - MLO 1
Missile projection - MLO 3
rapid launch - MLO 2
Target navigation prediction - MLO 2
warhead upgrades - MLO 4

To fly a drake well, you should have all of these to at least 4. but even having them to 2-3 will make a huge difference over not having them at all. These skills require increasingly high levels of missile launcher operation before you can inject them. Guided missile precision, the skill that allows you to hit smaller targets with larger missiles requires missile launcher operation 5 before you can even start training it. Without it you will not do much damage to frigates with heavy missiles.

Missiles are great for PVE, but without training ALL the support skills you will find the low damage application very frustrating.Get the prerequsites to at least 4 and you should be able to fly even most level 4 missions with your drake. Although it may be a little slow.
Ginger Barbarella
#19 - 2013-01-10 17:05:19 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Elder is Blood Raiders' elite tag. They have much higher resists than normal -- enough to screw with your kinetic bonus. Try firing Mjolnir missiles at them instead.

Also, BCUs. At least two, preferably four for L2s.


FOUR BCUs? Are you serious?? This is how people learn how to NOT fly a boat...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#20 - 2013-01-10 22:11:08 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Elder is Blood Raiders' elite tag. They have much higher resists than normal -- enough to screw with your kinetic bonus. Try firing Mjolnir missiles at them instead.

Also, BCUs. At least two, preferably four for L2s.


FOUR BCUs? Are you serious?? This is how people learn how to NOT fly a boat...


For L2s? Yes, I'm serious. If you're going to take a Drake into an L2 you might as well get as much damage out of it as possible. I'd probably go with three rigors too. It's not like L2s test your tank.
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