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Othran
Route One
#61 - 2013-01-08 17:29:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Show me the profit in killing an empty JF


You win the "isk war".
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#62 - 2013-01-08 17:31:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Show me the profit in killing an empty JF


the salvage ofc
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#63 - 2013-01-08 18:11:03 UTC
Shadowschild wrote:
It's easy to gank a freighter in 0.5 space.
Simply have 1 of your team mates get concorded as far out in the solar system as possible, from the target. This can easily be done by shooting a wreck belonging to a neutral alt. While concord are busy, bump the freighter (to interupt autopilot) & using the new Tier 3 battlecruisers (loaded with 8x large T2 weapons & a stack of dmg mods. A group of just 3 pilots can produce alpha strikes of 30,000+. Which would eat through most freighters hulls in 5 volleys. Scoop the cargo with an industrial. Rinse & repeat.

CCP should have concidered the impact of introducting Tier 3 battecruisers with higher alphas then tier 2/3 battleships for half the cost. At least give freighters mid & low slots so they can fit some passive hardeners. Your customers would greatly appreciate it.


They did.

Ganking a Freighter with Tier 3 BCs costs more than ganking a Freighter did before their introduction, because before they were introduced, you got an insurance payout from your Suicide Gank battleship.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#64 - 2013-01-08 18:13:38 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Show me the profit in killing an empty JF


the salvage ofc


The problem with sarcasm like this is some people believe itStraight
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#65 - 2013-01-08 18:24:10 UTC
Othran wrote:
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Othran wrote:
Shadowschild wrote:
The problem with any mmorpg, every time they introduce a new class, race or in this case a ship. Is that you have a certain balance issue to iron out over time. The players in eve found a way to use the Tier 3 BC to pop freighters easily. So in resoponse, it's resonable to buff freighters one way or another. Perhaps a single lowslot to either carry more cargo (at the risk of being ganked even easier), damage control for survivability or speed/agility again, at a cost of hull hp.


T3 BCs have made alpha'ing a JF possible. Killing freighters has always been possible.



er?

and you coudnt alpha jf before Tier 3 bc's?



Depends how much you wanted to spend on high-sec ganks.

Edit - perhaps a better word would be practical - as in T3 BCs have made alpha'ing a JF practical.


You're ********.... Back in time you alphaed one with an insured Tempest that costed only 90M, now you alpha it with an uninsured Tornado... Insured BS were a lot less expensive to use than the uninsured t3 BC of today.
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-01-08 18:45:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Show me the profit in killing an empty JF


You reduce your wartargets ability to move assets around. This is usually a solid advantage to have. Plus of course the ISK value of several b. And, if you're into that kind of stuff, the killboard embarrassment.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#67 - 2013-01-08 18:50:12 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Show me the profit in killing an empty JF


You reduce your wartargets ability to move assets around. This is usually a solid advantage to have. Plus of course the ISK value of several b. And, if you're into that kind of stuff, the killboard embarrassment.


I should have said ganking not wartargets.
Othran
Route One
#68 - 2013-01-08 18:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Caius Sivaris wrote:

You're ********.... Back in time you alphaed one with an insured Tempest that costed only 90M, now you alpha it with an uninsured Tornado... Insured BS were a lot less expensive to use than the uninsured t3 BC of today.


Yeah yeah and back when I started there was no tracking and no sig res on guns. There were no BS, never mind alpha ones.

Epeen contest over so go eye yourself up in the mirror.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#69 - 2013-01-08 20:28:52 UTC
Othran wrote:

AFAIK deliberately "baiting" Concorde is an exploit, as are all other methods of deliberately delaying/enhancing Concorde response (ie you're dead).

It's not. Some related activities, such as spawning so many CONCORD ships that it lagged the node back in the day, or avoiding the consequences of spawning CONCORD e.g. by recycling alts, are not allowed. Messing with the spawn timers is quite ok.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#70 - 2013-01-08 20:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Mai Khumm wrote:
Sadly, freighters will be buffed soon, simply because people are stupid...


Some people are realy stupid or lazy, but these days most of destroyed freighters are freigters kiled just for lulz, with no vaulable cargo ganked in empire, people just (expolit) this fact that is easy to destroy them while sacrifice cheap ships with massive firepower.

Im not against ganking freigters its self, its a part of gamewhere people somtime risk somthing, and other may got ability to earn money, ship clas freigter from definition is a weak ship with decent hp buffor, but weak in general, is high recomended to use escort while use them, and here we go, freighters usage are to high, they become for mass, and people use them to often without escort, from other perspective this hp bufor is a bit to low.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Lexmana
#71 - 2013-01-08 21:02:25 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
Sadly, freighters will be buffed soon, simply because people are stupid...


Some people are realy stupid or lazy, but these days most of destroyed freighters are freigters kiled just for lulz, with no vaulable cargo ganked in empire, people just (expolit) this fact that is easy to destroy them while sacrifice cheap ships with massive firepower.


And you have data to support that statement?
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#72 - 2013-01-08 21:04:42 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
Sadly, freighters will be buffed soon, simply because people are stupid...


Some people are realy stupid or lazy, but these days most of destroyed freighters are freigters kiled just for lulz, with no vaulable cargo ganked in empire, people just (expolit) this fact that is easy to destroy them while sacrifice cheap ships with massive firepower.


And you have data to support that statement?


EvE kill net, average results.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Alara IonStorm
#73 - 2013-01-08 21:05:41 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:

Some people are realy stupid or lazy, but these days most of destroyed freighters are freigters kiled just for lulz,

Citation needed.

I have seen way more mails with huge profit potential, not counting plastic wrap I don't think I have even seen one mail that didn't have profit potential.
Lexmana
#74 - 2013-01-08 21:08:18 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
Sadly, freighters will be buffed soon, simply because people are stupid...


Some people are realy stupid or lazy, but these days most of destroyed freighters are freigters kiled just for lulz, with no vaulable cargo ganked in empire, people just (expolit) this fact that is easy to destroy them while sacrifice cheap ships with massive firepower.


And you have data to support that statement?


EvE kill net, average results.

Link please or are you just making this up as you go?
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#75 - 2013-01-08 21:10:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Othran wrote:

AFAIK deliberately "baiting" Concorde is an exploit, as are all other methods of deliberately delaying/enhancing Concorde response (ie you're dead).

It's not. Some related activities, such as spawning so many CONCORD ships that it lagged the node back in the day, or avoiding the consequences of spawning CONCORD e.g. by recycling alts, are not allowed. Messing with the spawn timers is quite ok.


Correct, miners have been doing it for ages. Find a juicy belt, spawn concord for added protection, mine, profit........

Turn about is fair play, meaning...... if your freighter has a escort, have the scouts spawn Concord at every gate entry/exit along your route for added protection :)
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#76 - 2013-01-08 22:15:39 UTC
I see Marmites have been bad again....BUT..... got some nice tears out of you Twisted. But you re right, it's unfair that your ship can make so much isks and the guys shooting cant. We should reduce the cargo space of freighters to 10m3

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
ZANE VOIDSTALKER
Space Wizards.
Tactical Narcotics Team
#77 - 2013-01-08 22:16:27 UTC
omg realy. ok a gank is when 20 talos suicide your freighter on gate. and as far as that goes blam ccp for making scanners work against a containers.


now to kills you posted. IF your dumb enough to fly your freighter in low or durning a war well your going to get a eve first rate education. props to my guys on ther obilisk kill on our wt good job guys.




P.S. forum tears are best tears rofl
Unbalanced Risk
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2013-01-08 23:23:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
There's a distinct difference between "unbalanced risk" and "incompetent pilot".



Hey leave me out of this!
Incompetent Pilot
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-01-08 23:24:25 UTC
Unbalanced Risk wrote:
Tippia wrote:
There's a distinct difference between "unbalanced risk" and "incompetent pilot".



Hey leave me out of this!


Well you started it!
Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Tactical Division
#80 - 2013-01-08 23:28:31 UTC
Jonfear wrote:
Blah...


I checked the first two links and both are in an active war. In post instances the freighter pilots are idiots and deserved to die.

Or are you saying horrifyingly slow ships with no weapons or defensive systems should somehow be immune to being shot at? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you simply did not do your homework and are naive enough to think a couple of battlecruisers can do enough damage to even the worst skilled freighter pilot before condord rolls in. It is either that or you are trolling.