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galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-01-08 05:28:43 UTC
Mahduk wrote:
Hi,

Then, i tried RvB to get some idea of fleet pvp.



I would suggest rejoining and playing in Nomma, T1 Frig FFA system i find most fleets very boring .

Some of the fights in there are ... interesting .


But apart from that i agree with those saying to join FW , target rich environments are great . Engage Everything that you have even a remote chance of winning , it is more fun that way .
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-01-08 05:35:40 UTC
PVP is VERY BORING

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Dan Carter Murray
#43 - 2013-01-08 05:40:41 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
PVP is VERY BORING


make better vids. hard to see anything. also if you click left and right mb together and move up or down it smooths the zoom.

but yes pvp sucks in EVE mostly.

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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-01-08 06:09:13 UTC
Mahduk wrote:
That may well be so, but this isn't very appealing to me. Why isn't there chess with spaceships. Now that is a thought!!! :)


Chess is a balanced game where 2 parties starts on even terms. EVE is a MMO and rarely is any given encounter even close to balanced and 2 parties? ... You can start a fight and have someone else show up to finish it - then finish you.

In general, as others have said, the game is about teams - not soloing. If you try it soloing, odds are you'll run across players with far more experience and knowledge about how to beat you and unless you ask, you probably won't even know what you did wrong (or they did right) that cost you the fight.

In a team situation the game takes on other dynamics.
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-01-08 09:13:50 UTC
Op

there are many diffrant ways to kill some are crap some are funny some are relaxing

many years ago in o.o i used to be involved in all kinds fleets in the end found them boring
then i started triple boxing liveing in enemys sov space wad good laugh at times but alot tacticle and waiting games
today i still join fleets and hdrops with corp and i still find it boring

for relaxeing i like gate camping

for lulz i used to love empire ganking nothing made me lol so much as watching afk pod auto pilot past its own wreck i even started poping empty haulers for lulz and used to lol at poping barges with few m8s in destroyers funny as hell

solo pvp can be a rush depends ow much you have on the line tho

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-01-08 09:36:43 UTC
Quote:
In my experience - the bigger the ships get and the bigger the fleet gets - the more boring the fleet gets.
Many might not agree but small fast fleets are just my preference.


Agreeing 100%

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-01-08 16:29:46 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Dan Carter Murray wrote:


Overall pvp in EVE is not so good to be honest. 1v1 is boring.



Eurgh. Although you are of course entitled to your opinion. Nonetheless, as anticipated, it is a very stoopid one.

EDIT > In a very sick way that i almost feel a little bit bad about - i take some pleasure in hearing that you/bad messenger dont actually enjoy PVP!

OP and others: PvP in EVE is ABSO-FREAKING-LUTELY AMAZING you just have to work at it much harder than other games. If your not prepared to put some effort in to PVP, you are never going to like it, or EVE.

- Take the agony or eve university classes (google them)
- Read this front to back > http://www.evealtruist.com/
- Read Forums (just maybe not these forums!)
- People have already recommended failheap challenge for fits. Skip this and go straight to the ''piloting in practice'' section. http://failheap-challenge.com/forumdisplay.php?19-Piloting-in-Practice
- Read blogs on the go > http://blogpack.evebloggers.com/, www.evebloggers.com)
- Google and download ''bringing solo back'' and watch listen to anything posted by Kil2, Kovorix or Prometheus on youtube.
- Join as good a corporation as you can get yourself in to. When you outgrow it, join another and continue to stretch yourself.
- Learn to read Kill mails > look at the top 10 pilots on Battleclinic, see what they are losing (often cheap dessies or frigates) and take ideas from their fits. Click on the face pictures at the top, then click on losses > http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/
- Think about your losses and your wins. Learn from them.
- Join RvB and go blow 100 frigates
- Join FW and roam
- Profit?

or.....

WOW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
fingie
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-01-08 17:45:27 UTC
This guy (Abbadon21) sells an elite pvp course, for real money. His kb isn't that bad either.

Check out this movie saved by twitch:

http://www.twitch.tv/abbadon21/b/334576511

If I recall correctly, he actually has *two* fights in four and a half hours, the rest of the time is spent jumping all over the map.

Now, personally, I have found frig pvp to be quite interesting, even though I still lose more than I win (with my main). But I can definitely understand why the OP thinks this way.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#49 - 2013-01-08 17:52:07 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
BM is permanently stuck in the past when he was once sort of relevant. Poor guy, all the OGB, dual boxing, no risk pvp got a bit boring for him I suppose.

Garr Earthbender wrote:
So much has changed hasn't it Messenger?



nothing has changed
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#50 - 2013-01-08 18:02:29 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
agreed, EVE pvp is really boring. Mostly it is just farming clueless people.

Sometimes you may get fun moments in PVP but that happens rarely, too rarely to see all that effort for it.



That is a completely self made hell...

You don't have to "Farm" clueless people



If you want excitement take a ship out.. find a fight you think you have a 20-30% chance of winning tops... and go for it.


when PERVS were in caldari militia we counted that if gallente brings 5x more players we will get even fight with same size ships


Take a risk.

This isn't high sec griefing.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-01-08 18:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Mocam wrote:
Mahduk wrote:
That may well be so, but this isn't very appealing to me. Why isn't there chess with spaceships. Now that is a thought!!! :)


Chess is a balanced game where 2 parties starts on even terms. EVE is a MMO and rarely is any given encounter even close to balanced and 2 parties? ... You can start a fight and have someone else show up to finish it - then finish you.

In general, as others have said, the game is about teams - not soloing. If you try it soloing, odds are you'll run across players with far more experience and knowledge about how to beat you and unless you ask, you probably won't even know what you did wrong (or they did right) that cost you the fight.

In a team situation the game takes on other dynamics.


Agree 100% that you need to know what you did wrong when you lose (everyone loses a lot of the time).

Disagree 100% that PVP is not like space chess. Its very much like like space chess. You need to understand your own peices capability, understand other peices capability, know likely moves, know your opponent, understand baiting, understand the relative advantages of trading one peice for another under different scenarios, know you cant/wont always win, dont expect to be a grand master overnight, know you will likely lose against a better opponent but take something from the experience (even if its just 1 bit of tritanium and an Ibis), understand countering, understand concealment, learn not to be predictable, to think a few steps ahead......

Chess is far more than the sum of its parts and so is PVP in EVE.

I dont want to sound too ''grasshopper'' on all this (im a nub), but give it every chance and immerse yourself in PVP basics and the rewards are phenomenal.
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-01-08 18:25:27 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Too many posts i admit on this subject but i'm reasonably passionate about it and i am saddened that people (probably newer players on the whole) appear not to be enjoying EVE PVP??????

CCP please take notice. New peeps are the future.........

What about seriously backing Agony/Eve uni/other PVP course providers? Free accounts/Plex/ships/isk? Bring them semi in-house if they will do it?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#53 - 2013-01-08 20:03:46 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
agreed, EVE pvp is really boring. Mostly it is just farming clueless people.

Sometimes you may get fun moments in PVP but that happens rarely, too rarely to see all that effort for it.



That is a completely self made hell...

You don't have to "Farm" clueless people



If you want excitement take a ship out.. find a fight you think you have a 20-30% chance of winning tops... and go for it.


when PERVS were in caldari militia we counted that if gallente brings 5x more players we will get even fight with same size ships


Take a risk.

This isn't high sec griefing.


it is not about taking risk, it is about that 90% players do not know how to pvp, they do get some basic knowledge and fits from forums and know some tactics , but they do not really know how to pvp.

So it ends up to situation where you should engage 10x people who are remoterepping each others so much that you can not break their tanks. It is not PVP really it is just tank testing.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#54 - 2013-01-08 20:18:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
jjohnpaul xvii wrote:
Too many posts i admit on this subject but i'm reasonably passionate about it and i am saddened that people (probably newer players on the whole) appear not to be enjoying EVE PVP??????

CCP please take notice. New peeps are the future.........

What about seriously backing Agony/Eve uni/other PVP course providers? Free accounts/Plex/ships/isk? Bring them semi in-house if they will do it?



Unfortunately CCP thinks only about how many Subs they can get vs creating a quality PVP environment. This means if you aren't into being the 15th or 100th guy on a single KM then EVE is no longer for you.

There has always been a balance of solo,small gang and blob fighting, but every change CCP has made in the last 2 years between null sec & low sec PVP, hell even high sec now has revolved around one type of fighting and that's bring all your friends.

Bring all your friends = more subs..
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#55 - 2013-01-08 20:36:25 UTC
caldari have lots of german friends in evoke errrr time for a caldari blob?

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2013-01-09 00:35:34 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
The ranting about minnies part.

O hush Dan, Amarr has exactly the same issues as minmatar has. You guys blob as well, you have people who wont go anywhere without their boost as well. We aren't all that different. Although I personally commend you on your playingstyle (except the godawfull smack and cynthia) not your entire militia is like that.


The reason floss and aset happened that way is because you were just to unfriendly. Being nice works you know. I think fweddit are great frienemies,. So stop being cunts 24/7.
Kaiirii
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-01-14 18:48:48 UTC
Please lock the thread.

I am offended by all the bears moaning.
Jim Roebuck
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-01-15 14:18:32 UTC
Mahduk wrote:
Hi,
So i'm really failing to see how the PvP in EvE got this reputation. I hate grinding missions but at least you're making progress, warping between safespots for hours is just a complete waste of time. Or am i'm missing something here?


You obviously never seen two big alliances fight it out in fleets of 200-500, with FC's screaming 'cyno/bridge jump, primary this, secondary that, alpha this, point that, etc'.

At the end of the day gudfites(TM) are to be had.

When Bon Scott died and he appeared before St. Peter at the gates of Heaven, St. Peter looked at his record and told him he couldn't get in. Just then, God screams at Peter, "Let him in, Karen Carpenter is driving me nuts. I want to hear some music with balls. We'll haggle over the paperwork later." At least I hope that's what happened.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#59 - 2013-01-15 14:38:30 UTC
Jim Roebuck wrote:
Mahduk wrote:
Hi,
So i'm really failing to see how the PvP in EvE got this reputation. I hate grinding missions but at least you're making progress, warping between safespots for hours is just a complete waste of time. Or am i'm missing something here?


You obviously never seen two big alliances fight it out in fleets of 200-500, with FC's screaming 'cyno/bridge jump, primary this, secondary that, alpha this, point that, etc'.

At the end of the day gudfites(TM) are to be had.



Sovbabyblobs are considered exciting now?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#60 - 2013-01-15 17:30:43 UTC
Mahduk wrote:
Thanks for the comments. @Rynnik: I figured out myself most of what you wrote and can confirm it but none of it does really tingle me much. I guess I have to find my own way, after all EvE is supposed to be a sandbox....



There is a bit more to the actual pvp fights than what you indicate. But you correctly identify the problem in that eve requires you to spend allot of boring roaming around looking for a fight. Its the long delays between the fights that makes eve boring not the actual fights.

Rynnik accurately points out that some of the people like the idea of the hunt. Eve pvp is indeed best described as hunting. You sit there or roam around for hours for the opportunity to shoot a deer or turkey.

Some people like that, others like you and myself, think that sounds horribly boring. CCP doesn't seem to understand that there are allot of people, like you and I, who would love it if they would create some mechanics where you get frequent quality pvp fights. So instead they make all of the pvp in eve fit that hunting analogy.

The other things he describes may all be true and people may like those other aspects of eve. But the bottom line is they will realize sooner or later that in eve, the pvp where your ship fittings and such matter, is so rare that they will at best be able to get 1 or 2 such fights per 2 hours of roaming around. That is the case even if they join something like faction war.

If 1-2 decent pvp fights per 2 hours of play is enough for you eve can provide that. If its not then eve is not for you and now that ccp is moving on from faction war I don't see that changing in the near future. Someday I hope ccp will make some part of this sandbox conducive to frequent quality pvp but that does not seem to be something they care about.