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Gerard Hareka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-01-08 11:54:15 UTC
Mac Omac wrote:
Translation: We won EVE and its getting kinda boring, and boredom causes problems. Give us entertainment as you struggle in vain against our botting empire


We have a winner.
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#42 - 2013-01-08 12:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


You should not let someone else make you become cynical.

Also, it does not take a "special mindset" to be helpful and loving human being. We are born to be social and help each other, it's what made us win against the most incredible odds, what made our species become the top dog despite we are physically weak and fragile.

Don't let the "modern times" lose the light of hope, because the past was even harsher, hope of life was like 40 old max, yet people had more confidence in the future. The current bleak "reality" is so only because there are ill motivated people convincing the others about giving up, letting themselves won, let the worst human kind win.


Finally, a great essay from one of the great living RL traders that may also be applied to these forums:


ALWAYS BE POSITIVE.
NEVER trade if you are not in a POSITIVE frame of mind.
NEVER approach anything to do with trading if you are NOT in a POSITIVE frame of mind. NEVER trade if
you are ill, have bad thoughts or feel bad about yourself or if you are angry with anyone.
The idiots on the various threads who are negative and destructive will never make it in life let alone in
trading. IGNORE them and do NOT get involved or inter-act with them. Instead, surround yourself with
POSITIVE people with the SAME goals and ambitions as YOU. POSITIVE people provide SUPPORT and
ENCOURAGEMENT while negative people provide criticism and destruction.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS be POSITIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE in trading and in your life and you will never go
wrong.


Strat


i should probably make it clear i meant i have become cynical in MMO games ,not irl

i personaly know people who are good guys,with wifes,kids and pets - but they intentionaly play LOL at 800 elo and stomp everyone and keep calling everyone noob because they like it - somehow anonymity of internet turned them into giant idiots Roll

they could help if they wanted but instead they bask in hatred of others,its same in eve,there are some people who are genuinly good and helpfull and the other part who are turned into borderline psychopaths the second they type password in

being helpfull doesnt mean not to kill anyone or even not to bump - it means that instead of being all (Snip. -- ISD LackOfFaith) and bigmouth on forums offer an advice and mute the guy if he says (Snip. -- ISD LackOfFaith) you - hey he just lost his ship,understandably he is upset,you dont need to throw in more fuel into his rage...however i dont see this mindset often enough

As per the forum rules, please do not try to bypass the profanity filter. -- ISD LackOfFaith
Josef Djugashvilis
#43 - 2013-01-08 12:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
If, as the OP states, "I believe in letting players play as they will" does that mean that I should be 'gank proof'?

If so, then Eve would not be Eve anymore, the game would die; and deservedly so.

This is not a signature.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#44 - 2013-01-08 12:55:46 UTC
As long as CCP allows Darwinism to exist within Eve. People will use whatever dirty, underhanded trick and game mechanic they can to prevail. It is sad some prepubescent sociopaths get their jollies for canflipping and ganking noobs but hey, that why we all love Eve. It is what it is.
Eight Two
SWIFT Inc.
#45 - 2013-01-08 14:02:36 UTC
pussnheels wrote:

and there you are dead wrong
either you are trolling or you only care for yor your own selfish selfgratification
As far i know almost every new player knows what he or she is getting into when they first subscribe into EvE
EvE has that reputation , to be harsh , and unforgivable to the new unsuspected player, just look atother game forums , when ever they mention EvE everybody shivers and get scared

Every game needs new players and EvE isn't different , and when those players actually stay beyond their tutorials it is better for all of us and not only CCP



Sorry to spoil your party but the thing most players see when first stumbling across Eve is spaceships and explosions. Then a heavily moderated helpchat giving a completely wrong impression of the game.

Then a personal conversation with an ISD telling them how awesome this game and how friendly the community is.

Get off that high horse, you're not playing any special, elitist game for the most hardcore gamers here really, the only people that think Eve is cold and harsh are people on this forum.

Take the the times for example were succesful Eve alliances made a stand in other gaming communities they quickly died in a ridiculous fire. Just look at how PL became the laughingstock of the DayZ community this last spring when trying to threaten some randoms on the old DayZ forums with their "metagame".

Amusing indeed, especially since PL is still a running-gag on a few of the most popular DayZ related TS servers.

It's also kinda telling when the friendly overweight gentleman presenting the statistics at Fanfest has to ask the attending crowd to be a bit nicer to new players, don't you think?

Point being, the game is advertised as this as this great sandbox to end all sandboxes when in reallity it's usually just a bag of silly, not for gameplay and mechanics (that would hardly be sustainable/interesting for a long time if you just get rid of the scamming, awoxing, trolling, flaming, etc.) but for the people playing it.

It's entertaining for us who don't really give a **** and has it's place for that but appealing to most new players? People are scared when they think of Eve? Really? Stop fooling yourself.

Bottom line: New Eden is going to ****? Good, we're on track then.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-01-08 14:14:34 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.

This is truly the real reason why highsec should be nerfed, highseccers just chase new players away with their misguided elitism. In highsec you're either in a pimped out marauder or T3, or you're in a hulk or mackinaw or you're worthless, whereas in nullsec t1 frigates and new players who are willing to take risks are actually useful and are rewarded by those who remember the difficulties they had as a new player.

When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?

This is the real reason why we hate you, because you're all sociopaths.


Well come on....there are many null sec corps/alliances with ridiculous SP reqs designed to shut out new players. We accept new players, then these elitists wonder why we grow. TEST and Goons are just examples that prove the hell out of my point: New players are good for growth.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-01-08 14:21:58 UTC
Juan Andalusian wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
Skydell wrote:
[quote=Max Doobie]
I BELIEVE in letting people play as they will.
I BELIEVE everyone has their niche in the great game of ours.


So why are you whining like a spoiled little brat about people being "elitist" (not even sure you know the meaning of the word by the way you use it) if you believe in letting people play as they will?

[quote]I BELIEVE in letting people play as they will, as long as i agree with it


There fixed it for you.

P.S. EVE is doing fine, but thanks for worrying!


I'm not talking about playstyle. I am talking about attitude. "Elitists" don't PLAY a certain way. They interact with others a certain way.
Eight Two
SWIFT Inc.
#48 - 2013-01-08 14:24:14 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:


Well come on....there are many null sec corps/alliances with ridiculous SP reqs designed to shut out new players. We accept new players, then these elitists wonder why we grow. TEST and Goons are just examples that prove the hell out of my point: New alts are good for growth.


Fixed that for you Blink

Seriously though,what exactly are you excpecting to come out of this?

Also, it's your alliance that is responsible for a nice part of griefing new players in game and on the forums becoming so popular. Clean your own doorstep before pointing to dirt on the street.

You know, leading by example and all that. I'm sure you will have a lot of success with that in your alliance.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-01-08 14:25:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Solstice Project wrote:
wow, that's embarrassing.

Hope they kick you out ...

Edit:


I actually have something to contribute.

Today i've shot a 2.5 billion ISK pod.

He convo'd me.

He wondered how that was possible and i explained to him that highsec isn't safe.
CONCORD won't rescue him in time. He understood that and accepted his mistake.

A few days ago i've shot a 200 million isk pod ... and that guy whined. Called me a ****
and whatever. I tried to reason with him, that it was his own fault, that he is not safe in highsec.
It's like driving a mercedes through the bronx and then blaming everybody else for taking advantage of his idiocy.


So there's one guy who understands the reality of the game and there's another who doesn't.
There's one guy who understands what the game is *advertised for* and another who doesn't.

There is one guy ACCEPTING WHAT THIS GAME IS ABOUT and another who doesn't !


Now take a goooooooooood guess who we need to get rid of ..................


You? That'd be my guess.

Not because you podded them.

It's because I'm well aware of your posting history. You have got to be one of the most obnoxious and immature people I have ever encountered. You're probably a (Snipped personal insults. -- ISD LackOfFaith)
Ginger Barbarella
#50 - 2013-01-08 14:26:09 UTC
Skydell wrote:

Test is like Goons is like the Mafia. In the employment record, in for life and it's better to be knows as Test or Goons than to be known as ex Test or ex Goons so while you might be willing to go against the grwain, don't become a liability Blink


What?!?!?! Drunk posting is bad, m'kay?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Dr No Game
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#51 - 2013-01-08 14:26:39 UTC
You guys can rage all you want, but as a player new to Eve and Null, Dreddit and TEST have been awesome about getting me on my feet and answering all my dumbass newbie questions. OP is right, and there are many players who see the value in making the play experience for new capsuleers a positive one, and it goes a long way in retaining players past that 2-3 week trial.

I'm sure many other corps are like this, and to all those other capsuleers out there helping your fellow newbros feel welcome and useful, Thank You.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#52 - 2013-01-08 14:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Whenever a new players takes the time to ask me why I killed him in lowsec, I write him a polite letter, explain why lowsec is dangerous and talk him through how to travel safely through lowsec and failing that how to avoid lowsec. Or, tell him how to PvP, or point him in the direction of a good corp.

I'm not going to stop killing people just because they're new, but I am polite to everyone (unless they're just plainly a ****).

You don't have to stop scamming, suicide ganking, gatecamping can flipping, or any of these things. You just need to be polite about it.

I agree with the OP in that sense, at least sort of.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Eight Two
SWIFT Inc.
#53 - 2013-01-08 14:32:50 UTC
Dr No Game wrote:
You guys can rage all you want, but as a player new to Eve and Null, Dreddit and TEST have been awesome about getting me on my feet and answering all my dumbass newbie questions. OP is right, and there are many players who see the value in making the play experience for new capsuleers a positive one, and it goes a long way in retaining players past that 2-3 week trial.

I'm sure many other corps are like this, and to all those other capsuleers out there helping your fellow newbros feel welcome and useful, Thank You.


Oh I'm sure you're having a good time and to be fair there's some good people that I know in Test, but there's a few good people in every player entity really if you look beyond the trolling.

Also, OP is right of course, new players are the lifeline of any game really, but that doesn't change the fact that here's a guy posting under the flag of one of the most notorious griefing alliances pointing fingers at others.

It's a matter of keeping your own house clean first before going out and mocking other people for their dirty appartments.

Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-01-08 14:40:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Doobie
Eight Two wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


Well come on....there are many null sec corps/alliances with ridiculous SP reqs designed to shut out new players. We accept new players, then these elitists wonder why we grow. TEST and Goons are just examples that prove the hell out of my point: New alts are good for growth.


Fixed that for you Blink

Seriously though,what exactly are you excpecting to come out of this?

Also, it's your alliance that is responsible for a nice part of griefing new players in game and on the forums becoming so popular. Clean your own doorstep before pointing to dirt on the street.

You know, leading by example and all that. I'm sure you will have a lot of success with that in your alliance.



As I'm sure any sensible person would understand, I cannot control others. I can only control myself. You'd be hard pressed to find any nullsec alliance that doesn't have some griefer in it. The best I can do is hold myself to my standards.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#55 - 2013-01-08 14:52:03 UTC
Eight Two wrote:
Also, it's your alliance that is responsible for a nice part of griefing new players in game and on the forums becoming so popular. Clean your own doorstep before pointing to dirt on the street.

How is TEST involved in griefing new players?
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#56 - 2013-01-08 14:55:06 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Be nice and happy to everyone!

I hope you're no longer participating in the Orangj Memorial Forum then.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-01-08 14:57:37 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
Be nice and happy to everyone!

I hope you're no longer participating in the Orangj Memorial Forum then.


that has nothing 2 do w/ brand new players for obvious reasons...
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-01-08 15:26:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Well here is the problem...

I went to a seminar for altruism (because work made me go) and they touted out numbers that said only 10% of people lack altruism and those who lack it are officially sociopaths who care not for others.

Which means truth be told only 10% of EVE players are really ripe bastards who scam, gank, bump, or whatever. It might be a little higher because... Well... EVE attracts sociopaths.

Which leaves 90% of EVE's player base not wanting to participate in such behaviors.

This results in subscription cancelations when that behavior gets out of hand.

Another factor in EVE is the fact that the majority of player live in high sec (i've seen numbers touted from anyone from 70-80% of the player base) which means the vast majority of EVE does not want to participate in non-consensual pvp.

One thing that proves ganking and other greifing causes subscription losses is the fact that CCP buffed mining barges after Hulkaggedon. If there was not a problem they would have left it as it is, but apparently it caused enough turmoil to actually warrant changing the game.

The fact of the matter is that the more you greif the more they will change the game and no amount of the sociopath's complaining on the forums will change the matter.

What CCP is looking at instead of the forums is the reasons why people cancel accounts (its the survey you fill out when quitting).

If CCP sees that a certain percentage of people are qutting because their frieghters are ganked or ships were bumped then eventually they will change the game mechanics.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#59 - 2013-01-08 16:07:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Metal Icarus
OP is in TEST and saying this bullcrap...

Well maybe if you guys didnt set your alliance up to have a "us(reddit) vs them (everyone who isnt from SA or reddit)" attitude then you wouldn't have this issue.

Quit eve, you're a part of the ******* problem that you're complaining about OP.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-01-08 16:23:10 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
OP is in TEST and saying this bullcrap...

Well maybe if you guys didnt set your alliance up to have a "us(reddit) vs them (everyone who isnt from SA or reddit)" attitude then you wouldn't have this issue.

Quit eve, you're a part of the ******* problem that you're complaining about OP.



The only corp in Test that requires Reddit account is Dreddit.

I have been an active voice for inclusion for a long time in EVE and other MMOs. I am against shunning new people. I didn't like it when it was done to me, and I don't want it done to others.