EVE General Discussion

Before starting this post, I want to make this clear. I’m not advocating that Freighters should be ungankable.
Blowing up ships is part of the game.

There is an unbalanced risk vs. reward in Freighter kills. While paging though eve-kill.net, I’ve noticed a large number of freighter kills that were accomplished with 2 battle cruisers or less. Such as;

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15821369
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15820849
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15812968
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15808004
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15806543

The attacker risks 100-250 mil in ships compared to the 1.5 bill invested in the freighter. Killing a freighter should require a coordinate fleet commitment that closes the huge gap in risk. Many of the freighter kills didn’t have cargo worth looting. People just want to pad their killboard with a large credit kill on an industrial. All bow down to the great PvPers.

To sum up, to Kill a freighter you should need a fleet of at least 4-5 battle ships so that the total isk commitment on the attackers part is close to 900 mil.

The freighter needs a buff. But it would also be great lols to see a freighter with 8 turret slots and mids for webs. A freighter with teeth.

tl;dr freighters that fly when their corp/alliance are wardecced die

Who would have imagined that?

I'm not sure if trolling or just stupid.

I could kill a freighter with a frigate, if I was at war with him... just like in those killmails you linked.

There's a distinct difference between "unbalanced risk" and "incompetent pilot".

No, it really shouldn't. If the freighter pilot chooses to offer himself up as a free kill, the killer in question should indeed be able to accept it freely.

Wasn't any alpha going on in those killmails.

You want to alpha a freighter then you need to be setup to do that specific job so I don't think it really needs a lot of rethinking.

Freighters are vulnerable on the undock and the jump-in.

Insta-undocks largely solve one problem, scouting ahead/watching map solves the other - gods know you have plenty of time to think about things on the warps

But you need a fleet to alpha gank a freighter in high sec.
Unless I missed a patch that gives 1 ship with 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II an alpha of: 141440

First of all each of these kills could have been prevented if people would stop being stupid, buffing them will not change anything in that situation. People who fly around with frighters while being wardecced will still do so after a buff.

Advocating the need a small gang to kill a solo industrial ship really is a terrible idea. ISK Value does not mean anything here. Quite simple a combat ship is not a Freighter and you can never ever compare these 2.

Going by your logic of ISK Value being used as indicator for a ships strength you would also need 80 frigattes to kill a single battleship. Never gonna happen.

A freighter with teeth is a freighter with a proper escort, you are asking that it takes more ppl to kill a solo freighter, but do not take the possibility into account that a defenseless ship should not be flying arround solo in war times. Again: A freighter is not a combat ship. Get an escort of 2 or 3 ships including a logistics ship and even a 5 man gang will have a hard time taking down your freighter, unless your escort is ********.

I have seen many terrible ideas around here.. but a freighter with 8 turret slots and slots for ew? That must be one of the worsed.

I agree, I think CCP cares more about keeping people happy than making an awesome game.

The problem comes when those two things lead in opposite directions.


It's interesting where the focus of this discussion lies as well.

Assuming industry should be focussed in HighSec AND that HighSec should be "safe" then freighters should be buffed to protect the "casual player" (not sure how casual you are if you fly a freighter but regardless).

So if freighters get a buff, which why probably will, it's a reinforcement of these assumptions.

Obviously you don't undock it in a wardec

The point is that the freighter is vulnerable at undock and jump-in during its high-sec journey when you're not in a war. If you can't deal with that then don't fly the bloody thing.

Edit - and I have no clue at all wtf you're on about stargates - INSTA UNDOCK is what I said, not pick some celestial which is roughly aligned.

Tests may involve node crashes but it would be totally worth it