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The Venture needs a nerf?
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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-08 10:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
+ 2 warp strength, 2000+ m/s with WMD, hard to scan, fast align time, 5000m3 ore bay and all for the low low price of 12 million isk, fully fitted...

Thoughts?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Gradur Dohr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-08 10:39:06 UTC
nah. no nerf. just take care of your ladars and use a bomber to bookmark and a dictor to make the service.
Bamsey Amraa
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-08 10:52:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Bamsey Amraa
Last time we use HIC and Rook with smartbombs...... 9 ventures killed with eggs :D
AP John
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-01-08 11:01:41 UTC
Lol, why nerf, it's the only thing to come to wh players in the past several eve major updates..

Big smile You are forgetting the 5k cargo that can fit a couple of sites at a time

And mind your Ladars, or else I will
LordSpock
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-01-08 11:08:35 UTC
Bamsey Amraa wrote:
Last time we use HIC and Rook with smartbombs...... 9 ventures killed with eggs :D


Rook or Rokh? But yeah, this works well I guess. Scan ladar site, warp in cloaked. Createw corpbookmark, warp HIC in and bubble when landed is nice littel explosions.

But no I don't think it needs a nerf. Are they overpowerd? No. Can they be oneshotted by ArtyCane? I think so. So what is the problem?
LordSpock
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-01-08 11:10:19 UTC
AP John wrote:
Lol, why nerf, it's the only thing to come to wh players in the past several eve major updates..

Big smile You are forgetting the 5k cargo that can fit a couple of sites at a time

And mind your Ladars, or else I will



Hey don't complain you guys got a Zephyr as last 'present'..... Roll
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-08 11:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
LordSpock wrote:
Bamsey Amraa wrote:
Last time we use HIC and Rook with smartbombs...... 9 ventures killed with eggs :D


Rook or Rokh? But yeah, this works well I guess. Scan ladar site, warp in cloaked. Createw corpbookmark, warp HIC in and bubble when landed is nice littel explosions.

But no I don't think it needs a nerf. Are they overpowerd? No. Can they be oneshotted by ArtyCane? I think so. So what is the problem?


My point is, where is the risk?

The only way you can kill one is if the pilot is not paying attention or if you have pre-scanned the site. I'm not saying that they are impossible to catch but i do feel they have too many bonuses. Why do they need + 2 warp strength with such a good align time?

The energy involved in setting up a successful gank is disproportionate to the cost of the ship IMO.

Also, one thing to consider is that it doesn't leave much room for a T2/T3 gas miner because the venture is already so awesome.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-01-08 11:32:25 UTC
you don't catch ventures at a ladar site, you catch them at the WH the run to when you spook them with combats on D.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-01-08 11:35:36 UTC
... after you have scanned their WH down without them seeing probes.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-01-08 11:55:36 UTC
If you havent scanned the site down, the ship in the site and its align time isnt going to me a difference. its still going to warp away when it sees probes, no? if not, he's AFKing and is an easy kill...

If you have the system scanned out already, then they're an interesting kill. Should they be nerfed? NO, i don't think so. You just cant use the normal strategy to catch one. Hey, while we're at it, should we nerf the blockade runners, or cloaky transports cos they can't be caught by one point...
Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#11 - 2013-01-08 11:58:09 UTC
Ya, the venture does provide the alert pilot an advantage over the gassing stabber/ferox/(insert other fav. gassing ships).

But, let's face it. Bears/rabbits will almost always be bears/rabbits........and wolves will be...

well, you get the idea ...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-08 12:07:52 UTC
Matt Ellis wrote:
If you havent scanned the site down, the ship in the site and its align time isnt going to me a difference. its still going to warp away when it sees probes, no? if not, he's AFKing and is an easy kill...

If you have the system scanned out already, then they're an interesting kill. Should they be nerfed? NO, i don't think so. You just cant use the normal strategy to catch one. Hey, while we're at it, should we nerf the blockade runners, or cloaky transports cos they can't be caught by one point...


Again someone misses the point...

The blockade runner is a T2 ship worth over 100 million isk so no, it is not OP.

Let me ask a simpler question; Do you think the Venture needs the +2 warp strength to be an effective gas mining ship?



The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Le Badass
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-01-08 13:12:07 UTC
Even without the +2 warp core strength, it would still be a super cool little moneymaker.

When I hunt for them, I use dual scram just as I would when hunting any other non-combat ship.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-01-08 13:23:11 UTC
WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space.

In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with.

Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught.

And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-08 13:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Derath Ellecon wrote:
WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space.

In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with.

Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught.

And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup.


No tears here mate, i just like my games to feel balanced.

I bet for every one venture killed 10 get away...

Please tell be more about your inside knowledge of CCP's development plans. What?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Fradle
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2013-01-08 13:58:11 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space.

In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with.

Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught.

And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup.


No tears here mate, i just like my games to feel balanced.

I bet for every one venture killed 10 get away...

Please tell be more about your inside knowledge of CCP's development plans. What?

I think... I will just leave this here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

Learn2EVE
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-01-08 14:00:43 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space.

In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with.

Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught.

And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup.


No tears here mate, i just like my games to feel balanced.

I bet for every one venture killed 10 get away...

Please tell be more about your inside knowledge of CCP's development plans. What?



WH space is dangerous enough. So what if finally there is a little ship that makes gas harvesting a little easier. It isn't unbalancing. Like mining it has its own economic balance. If the venture makes gas harvesting so easy, more will do it, which will depress the gas prices, making it less profitable.

If you feel need the need to make a whine thread because there is now ONE ship tougher to gank when you hunt in WH's I call a little tear.

There were never T2 Mining frigates or cruisers. Those ships were dead ends, just stepping stones to mining barges. The only thing CCP did is replace both with the venture, which is still a stepping stone into barges. Given its performance there is no indication that they have any intention of making a T2 version.
Kid Rocks
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-08 14:26:41 UTC
Ventures aint safe at all.
Just fit a sensorbooster and multiple 2 point scrams:

http://www.pr08e.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3812

And surely these guys were Noobs, but still...
Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-01-08 14:28:59 UTC
Ventures are fine

No
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-01-08 14:49:48 UTC
Kid Rocks wrote:
Ventures aint safe at all.
Just fit a sensorbooster and multiple 2 point scrams:

http://www.pr08e.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3812

And surely these guys were Noobs, but still...



Or afk. Gas mining is YAWN
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