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Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-01-08 08:16:26 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
[quote=Mac Omac]I have spoken with many people in TEST and Goonswarm who truly love this game and want to see it grow.


Yeah hard to RMT without new suckers joining

Also how can you talk of wanting to see EVE grow but then you're off killing competition (whether willingly of forcefully) with the biggest blue blob ever seen in Eve

Wish null was more localized, imagine how many people would still be playing if they actually had a attachment to protecting "their" space, and not alliance space, of coalition space, but their little piece of the pie

But no, instead we get instant bridges of EVERYONE, effectively snuffing out any attempt of something like that happening
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#22 - 2013-01-08 08:25:45 UTC
I would support the general message of the OP that new players are the lifeblood of any game. It is a shame that other members of your corporation don't share your same level headedness, Max, as further down the thread we get this ....

EI Digin wrote:
CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.

This is truly the real reason why highsec should be nerfed, highseccers just chase new players away with their misguided elitism. In highsec you're either in a pimped out marauder or T3, or you're in a hulk or mackinaw or you're worthless, whereas in nullsec t1 frigates and new players who are willing to take risks are actually useful and are rewarded by those who remember the difficulties they had as a new player.

When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?

This is the real reason why we hate you, because you're all sociopaths.


Never stop sperg posting and trying to pigeon hole players into your narrow twisted viewpoint.
Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-01-08 08:25:58 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Have to agree on the newbie/can baiting/player retention stuff.

I've always felt that we NEED MORE PLAYERS and not that we should run those just starting EVE off the server. There SHOULD be protection in place for brand new players.


If you want to coat new players in cotton wool, be my guest, but all your going to create is the next generation of carebears that expect that kind of protection and threaten to unsub when they don't get it. These are, in fact, my favourite kind of tears, so I welcome these kinds of players for entertainment value. However, new players have sufficient protection in their 0.9-1.0 starter systems. Let's not forget that every one of us have been a "newbie" at some stage, and a lot of the older players didn't have the "protection" available today when they were new. It was "here's your pod, now go find a ship" as far as I'm aware.


Actually, there is one thing that I thought of after I wrote my post.

None of the newbie hostility is a new thing in EVE, and the same goes for people acting like jackasses. This has been the case since day 1.

And yet, the amount of subscribers increases each year.



Reality Check

Yes subscribers are "going up" however no one ever factors in "Wait what about those that open multiple accounts" that means 1 person can represent 2 or more "subs", and in its standard issue to have two accounts, so factor that in to the "Eve is growing and not dying" numbers
Juan Andalusian
Shocky Industries Ltd.
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-01-08 08:50:05 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Skydell wrote:
[quote=Max Doobie]
I BELIEVE in letting people play as they will.
I BELIEVE everyone has their niche in the great game of ours.


So why are you whining like a spoiled little brat about people being "elitist" (not even sure you know the meaning of the word by the way you use it) if you believe in letting people play as they will?

[quote]I BELIEVE in letting people play as they will, as long as i agree with it


There fixed it for you.

P.S. EVE is doing fine, but thanks for worrying!
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#25 - 2013-01-08 08:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
As a semi-related comment, I do think its kind of cool that the total number of subscriptions right now is higher than the total population of Iceland.

Granted, Iceland population count isn't all that high anyhow.
pussnheels
Viziam
#26 - 2013-01-08 09:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
Remiel Pollard wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Have to agree on the newbie/can baiting/player retention stuff.

I've always felt that we NEED MORE PLAYERS and not that we should run those just starting EVE off the server. There SHOULD be protection in place for brand new players.


If you want to coat new players in cotton wool, be my guest, but all your going to create is the next generation of carebears that expect that kind of protection and threaten to unsub when they don't get it. These are, in fact, my favourite kind of tears, so I welcome these kinds of players for entertainment value. However, new players have sufficient protection in their 0.9-1.0 starter systems. Let's not forget that every one of us have been a "newbie" at some stage, and a lot of the older players didn't have the "protection" available today when they were new. It was "here's your pod, now go find a ship" as far as I'm aware.

and there you are dead wrong
either you are trolling or you only care for yor your own selfish selfgratification
As far i know almost every new player knows what he or she is getting into when they first subscribe into EvE
EvE has that reputation , to be harsh , and unforgivable to the new unsuspected player, just look atother game forums , when ever they mention EvE everybody shivers and get scared

Every game needs new players and EvE isn't different , and when those players actually stay beyond their tutorials it is better for all of us and not only CCP

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
flakeys
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-01-08 09:49:23 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:

Actually, there is one thing that I thought of after I wrote my post.

None of the newbie hostility is a new thing in EVE, and the same goes for people acting like jackasses. This has been the case since day 1.

And yet, the amount of subscribers increases each year.



And there you hit it on the nail.The way players are treated ingame is nothing different from what it used to be.We allways had asshats looking to ruin your day wich is what is so attractive about eve tbh.


The problem isn't with the a change of treatment , it is with how people respond to such treatments these days.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-01-08 09:56:22 UTC
I have removed a few posts for breaching the following rules:

Forum Rules wrote:


5. Ranting is prohibited.

A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.


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Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction and alliance members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing “in character” disputes from becoming "out of character" personal attacks. The game is designed for role-playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Please keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum unless it is clearly a mutual, in-character exchange.




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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-01-08 11:07:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
wow, that's embarrassing.

Hope they kick you out ...

Edit:


I actually have something to contribute.

Today i've shot a 2.5 billion ISK pod.

He convo'd me.

He wondered how that was possible and i explained to him that highsec isn't safe.
CONCORD won't rescue him in time. He understood that and accepted his mistake.

A few days ago i've shot a 200 million isk pod ... and that guy whined. Called me a ****
and whatever. I tried to reason with him, that it was his own fault, that he is not safe in highsec.
It's like driving a mercedes through the bronx and then blaming everybody else for taking advantage of his idiocy.


So there's one guy who understands the reality of the game and there's another who doesn't.
There's one guy who understands what the game is *advertised for* and another who doesn't.

There is one guy ACCEPTING WHAT THIS GAME IS ABOUT and another who doesn't !


Now take a goooooooooood guess who we need to get rid of ..................
Dave stark
#30 - 2013-01-08 11:09:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
posting in another eve is dying thread even though eve has shown no signs of dying what so ever.

edit: or is it a stealth "nerf miner gankers" thread?
Anndy
The Evocati
#31 - 2013-01-08 11:10:51 UTC
flakeys wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:

Actually, there is one thing that I thought of after I wrote my post.

None of the newbie hostility is a new thing in EVE, and the same goes for people acting like jackasses. This has been the case since day 1.

And yet, the amount of subscribers increases each year.



And there you hit it on the nail.The way players are treated ingame is nothing different from what it used to be.We allways had asshats looking to ruin your day wich is what is so attractive about eve tbh.


The problem isn't with the a change of treatment , it is with how people respond to such treatments these days.


no the problem is theres a lot more asshats now and its become normal, its been accepted and encouraged for a few years now, the only thing thats changed is people are getting sick of it
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-01-08 11:16:44 UTC
Anndy wrote:
no the problem is theres a lot more asshats now and its become normal, its been accepted and encouraged for a few years now, the only thing thats changed is people are getting sick of it

Actually, it's the other way round.
There are more and more people not understanding what the game stands for.
Look at the advertisements. That's the reality of the game.
They ignore that and whine about things that are perfectly natural within this environment.

The weak die, the strong survive. It's natural, but they can't deal with that,
because they think they are smart. They think they are strong.

We show them that they are wrong ... and that's why they whine, cry and rage.
Anndy
The Evocati
#33 - 2013-01-08 11:18:55 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Anndy wrote:
no the problem is theres a lot more asshats now and its become normal, its been accepted and encouraged for a few years now, the only thing thats changed is people are getting sick of it

Actually, it's the other way round.
There are more and more people not understanding what the game stands for.
Look at the advertisements. That's the reality of the game.
They ignore that and whine about things that are perfectly natural within this environment.

The weak die, the strong survive. It's natural, but they can't deal with that,
because they think they are smart. They think they are strong.

We show them that they are wrong ... and that's why they whine, cry and rage.


it is NOW yes but it never used to be, this used to be a good community, sure you had some of the same stuff but it was rare then goons happened
Dave stark
#34 - 2013-01-08 11:20:16 UTC
Anndy wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Anndy wrote:
no the problem is theres a lot more asshats now and its become normal, its been accepted and encouraged for a few years now, the only thing thats changed is people are getting sick of it

Actually, it's the other way round.
There are more and more people not understanding what the game stands for.
Look at the advertisements. That's the reality of the game.
They ignore that and whine about things that are perfectly natural within this environment.

The weak die, the strong survive. It's natural, but they can't deal with that,
because they think they are smart. They think they are strong.

We show them that they are wrong ... and that's why they whine, cry and rage.


it is NOW yes but it never used to be, this used to be a good community, sure you had some of the same stuff but it was rare then goons happened


don the tinfoil, batman.

some how it's turned in to yet another goonspiracy thread.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#35 - 2013-01-08 11:20:27 UTC
yeah the problem here ... everyone thinks HE knows how the game would be great if all players play like him Roll

but it would be great to see a Big War between HBC and CFC .. just sayin lie Op said .. do your part :))

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#36 - 2013-01-08 11:25:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
i personaly dont believe many veteran players care about the game

they have already been through everything,many of the probably dont play a lot,so if eve is closed they wont miss it because they have already experienced it all

i have become very cynical over the years and i think most people are giant (snip. --ISD LackOfFaith) who doesnt give a flying duck about anything - you need to have a special mindset to be helpfull and loving human being,instead of being "omg i love tears" kind of internet tough guy

if you want to help newbies,do it,but dont try to appeal veterans on GD - you will get trolled even if you have good intentions

As per the forum rules, please do not try to bypass the profanity filter. -- ISD LackOfFaith
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-01-08 11:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
The reality of this game is based on a simple law of nature:

The weak get eaten by the strong.

The strong ones are those who are able to adapt.
The weak are those who aren't.


Example:

People don't tank their mining ships and die for it.
You blame the strong for showing the weak his mistake,
instead of blaming the weak for being unable to adapt, although they *could*.


Example:

People autopilot their pods with hundreds of millions of implants,
believing they can't be harmed anyway.
You blame the strong for showing the weak his mistake,
instead of blaming the weak for doing a stupid thing in the first place.



This topic never was about "let me play how i want". The weak just managed to push it into that direction.
The actual topic is "i don't want to adapt to how the game works". "I don't want to see that i made a mistake".


You weaklings keep repeating the same thing over and over again,
unable to understand that you are indeed weak and you need to adapt to become strong.


There is *no* need to protect the weak. Protecting the weak will only lead to a society of weaklings ...
... and there is no natural law of "protecting the weak, so the genepool gets weaker".


Does anybody of you have any *actual* argument against the simple fact that nature
has never intended to protect the weak ? Evolution ? Ever heard of it ?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-01-08 11:34:10 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
yeah the problem here ... everyone thinks HE knows how the game would be great if all players play like him Roll

but it would be great to see a Big War between HBC and CFC .. just sayin lie Op said .. do your part :))

The game would be *greater* if *all* people accepted the simple reality of how it works.

The weak get eaten by the strong. Adapt or perish !
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#39 - 2013-01-08 11:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
EI Digin wrote:

When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?


October 2012, I gave a new Mackinaw to a guy in a Retriever, because he amused me (best kind of help I like to get).

November 2012, I gave a new guy ganking miners 50M to buy more ships, because he was really cleaning off bots. That too helped me.

End of November 2012, gave a guy 10M because his cruiser got exploded doing SOE hard boss. Then fleeted my alt with him and killed the mofo.

Your point?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#40 - 2013-01-08 11:49:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Randolph Rothstein wrote:
i personaly dont believe many veteran players care about the game

they have already been through everything,many of the probably dont play a lot,so if eve is closed they wont miss it because they have already experienced it all

i have become very cynical over the years and i think most people are giant (Snip. -- ISD LackOfFaith) who doesnt give a flying duck about anything - you need to have a special mindset to be helpfull and loving human being,instead of being "omg i love tears" kind of internet tough guy

if you want to help newbies,do it,but dont try to appeal veterans on GD - you will get trolled even if you have good intentions


You should not let someone else make you become cynical.

Also, it does not take a "special mindset" to be helpful and loving human being. We are born to be social and help each other, it's what made us win against the most incredible odds, what made our species become the top dog despite we are physically weak and fragile.

Don't let the "modern times" lose the light of hope, because the past was even harsher, hope of life was like 40 old max, yet people had more confidence in the future. The current bleak "reality" is so only because there are ill motivated people convincing the others about giving up, letting themselves won, let the worst human kind win.


Finally, a great essay from one of the great living RL traders that may also be applied to these forums:


ALWAYS BE POSITIVE.
NEVER trade if you are not in a POSITIVE frame of mind.
NEVER approach anything to do with trading if you are NOT in a POSITIVE frame of mind. NEVER trade if
you are ill, have bad thoughts or feel bad about yourself or if you are angry with anyone.
The idiots on the various threads who are negative and destructive will never make it in life let alone in
trading. IGNORE them and do NOT get involved or inter-act with them. Instead, surround yourself with
POSITIVE people with the SAME goals and ambitions as YOU. POSITIVE people provide SUPPORT and
ENCOURAGEMENT while negative people provide criticism and destruction.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS be POSITIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE in trading and in your life and you will never go
wrong.


Strat

Sorry about the edit. Just snipping a word in the quote. -- ISD LackOfFaith

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