EVE General Discussion

That's what, half a JF trip to deklein, one way?

I'm not doing the math for you, silly Goon. Doesn't Goonhorde have an accounting department? (I'm not an alt, BTW.)


I don't think anyone is really opposed to it on the grounds that it is wrong. One might even question whether one can DO something that is immorally wrong in a video game, or under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or to a non-sentient lifeform, or in Vegas.

I think the question is whether or not the NBSI policy is contributing to or hurting the success of organizations that have adopted it.


You certainly seem to think you're entitled to an industrial base and markets that are as good as high sec. You seem to think you are entitled to more people trafficking through your space despite trying to blow a good portion of them up for no good reason, based exclusively on a blanket suspicion. You seem to think you are entitled to your "own" space based on your capacity to muster force to shoot stationary objects. You seem to think you are entitled to the best resources in the game, since you so willingly take them from others even though you won't be able to utilize them effectively yourself.

I said you "bully" people out of space. Some of you seem to object to the term, but I would suggest you consult a dictionary.

You don't know how to use the space. It's that simple. NBSI is the policy you used to take the space, but taking space is not the same as having and using space. I can beat a mathematician up and take his calculator. That doesn't mean I can solve an equation. Similarly, you can muster a swarm of goons to take Delve or Providence or where ever. That doesn't mean you can make it into an empire. The last laugh is had by the people in high sec, who despite having access to mostly lower end resources (and, seriously, when is the last time a level 4 mission dropped a deadspace module or yielded LPs to buy a pirate battleship) have managed to create so much that your goons have to come slinking back to high sec every time they need another ship or more ISK to fund their "pew pew". If your NBSI policy works so well, you shouldn't need to come to high or low sec at all. In fact, it should be us who are bitching and moaning about not having belts full of zydrine and megacyte yielding ores and not having Hubs and Havens and Sanctums out the yin yang to run while we ***** and moan about the lack of noobs and miners to gank. If you think your NBSI policy has made null into a veritable utopia versus the horrid, tyrannical NRDS of high sec, enforced by the supposedly all-seeing, infallible, and invincible CONCORD, then stay the **** out of high sec.

See you in Jita!

lol skydell you're really going to have to take it to the next level if you're going to top that post

I for one am enthralled to see how he's going to manage it and stay within the forum rules.

We don't care about joe random chucklefuck trafficking through our space, we want our people to use our space.


We are entitled to own the space we've taken. If we weren't, we wouldn't be able to hold it, because someone else would've taken it away from us.


If we weren't entitled to the best resources in the game, then someone else would've taken it away from us, wouldn't they?


Next you'll say it's amoral.


You've no idea what nullsec actually entails. None, zip, zilch, nada, nuh uh, nope, njet.

I assume because to live in 0.0, you need to be liked by at least one other player. No wonder you're so angry at being excluded.

wait wait wait

did you just say "nullsec has hubs, havens and sanctums, there is therefore no problem with nullsec industry"

because wow

Those limited-number, spawn-timered anomalies which can be found in 8 seconds with the onboard scanner are totally different from unlimited, instantly replenished missions which require scan probes for hostiles to find.

Of course.

...because stuff you mine yourself is free.

Sure they do. Pretty much anyone able to get a foothold in null does. The problem is that the stuff you're talking about is horribly horribly inefficient to do outside of highsec to the point where it's better in every way to build there and then jump-freight it to the end-use site.

Setting aside the classic GD propaganda style quoting you just used, two things come to mind.

PI is passive, it doesn't work like mining. I can run 12 planets per account and avoid the dreaded level 5 skills to do it. Also you are doing the exact same thing he did. Seeing your success strictly from your wallet.

As for low and high being easier to manufacture in, the problem is what? Run it in Low and high that is in your beacon range and call it a win? Running Industrial out of stations eliminates all the cumbersome management, so? Do it that way! The trouble is again, you don't have the mining members base, willing to do it cheaper than high sec, willing to make the cumbersome more? Profitable! You guys see everything from a profit stand point.