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Cap-ship for solo ratting.

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Nao Chen
#1 - 2013-01-08 10:02:36 UTC
Hi.

My main is Amarr and does cloud harvesting in Serpentis null-sec. But often I have to clear the site from npc beforehand. It is a rather annoying obstacle. I see no fun in it. Now I use tengu, but it is still time consuming.

Here's my questions:

  1. Would Archon (solo!) clear the site much faster then solo tengu?
  2. Drone skills is a must for Archon, but is Triage crucial for solo-ratting?
  3. Dreadnoughts (e.g. Revelation) are not made for shooting bunches of small targets like npc rats?

I am not considering Nyx nor Thanatos, 'cos main is Amarr.
I'm not much worried for being ganged 'cos 90% ships in those parts are pluses.
LordSpock
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-01-08 10:09:44 UTC
Archon with a few drone control units and sentries might clear it faster.

Triage shouldn't be needed as you already have good tank and in triage mode you can't control drones. (worried? go dualrep)

Dreadnaughts won't do anything here.
Nao Chen
#3 - 2013-01-08 10:16:11 UTC
LordSpock wrote:
Archon with a few drone control units and sentries might clear it faster...


You say MIGHT... What?
I was hoping that 2 extra month of training plus a very expensive ship would clear the site 3 times faster than Tengu!
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-08 10:21:49 UTC
You should use whichever supercarrier is the most expensive.
That way you'll provide the best tears when you lose it.

(don't rat in a capital...)

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Nao Chen
#5 - 2013-01-08 10:27:23 UTC
Sounds disappointing...
Nao Chen
#6 - 2013-01-08 12:22:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nao Chen
Hm...

Looks like people have different opinion about using carriers for ratting:

Since carriers have a bonus to fighter drones I suppose that I can take them as transport ship with jump drive, logistic abilities and a fleet of frigs. right?
LordSpock
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-01-08 12:36:12 UTC
Nao Chen wrote:
Hm...

Looks like people have different opinion about using carriers for ratting:

Since carriers have a bonus to fighter drones I suppose that I can take them as transport ship with jump drive, logistic abilities and a fleet of frigs. right?


I hope you know that Liang was completely trolling in that thread right?

11. Carrier damage output is on par with a nicely fitted faction battleship
Nao Chen
#8 - 2013-01-08 13:53:14 UTC
LordSpock wrote:
11. Carrier damage output is on par with a nicely fitted faction battleship


True, but Archon IS being used in PVE. Just need to be aware of props and cons.

It is also used for triage (resist bonus and cap bonus) - source

But what about cyno and scram, I think I read somewhere that jump drive gets affected by warp scrambler. But I am not sure. Can Archon jump to cyno while under scram?
LordSpock
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-01-08 14:01:41 UTC
Nao Chen wrote:
LordSpock wrote:
11. Carrier damage output is on par with a nicely fitted faction battleship


True, but Archon IS being used in PVE. Just need to be aware of props and cons.

It is also used for triage (resist bonus and cap bonus) - source

But what about cyno and scram, I think I read somewhere that jump drive gets affected by warp scrambler. But I am not sure. Can Archon jump to cyno while under scram?


Yes however in triage mode you won't be able to do anything but tank. So no way to kill rats unless they all get into smartbombing range and you have massive amounts of time on your hand. *looks at title of topic again and notifies the question being about solo ratting.
Triage mode = Max Active Drone Modifier -100 %, but at least you can tank the rats even better.

Pointed solo archon = dead archon, unless very very lucky to pop all pointing players before you pop.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#10 - 2013-01-08 16:02:34 UTC
Ratting in a carrier is something you can do, but you shouldn't do it. It's just so slow and takes forever to align out.

If you insist on it though, here are some tips:
Fit a heavy neut or two, so you can atleast attempt to cap out the people who will eventually tackle you (sooner or later)
Use T2 sentries instead of Fighters. Fighters are best at hitting BS+ targets
Don't worry too much about tanking the rats, a single repper plus EANM has over 1k omni tank. Make sure you're agile enough to escape from players
amurder Hakomairos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-08 16:15:14 UTC
Why not just use a faction battleship?
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-08 16:20:01 UTC
Carrier lvl5s are grossly outdated. We used to do gateless lvl5s in carriers, but these are the early days. Nowadays, all agent locations, even for obscure corps like Khanid navy, are permacamped.

That said, carrier ratting is still the norm for sov null sanctum farming, deep within the blue ass of sov null where you don't see hostiles for months on end. Not sure about your serp null. Safety can vary a lot. You live there, you know best.

1750 dps thanny will chew rats faster than any pimp BS. Thanny is better than archon due to higher dps, but archon will still get the job done. Tank shouldn't be a problem on any carrier.
Xayder
modro
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-01-08 20:21:20 UTC
Nao Chen wrote:
Hm...

Looks like people have different opinion about using carriers for ratting:
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  • A great way to make ISK is to do level 5s in your carrier.


  • you are just re-tar-ded

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    Cage Man
    Fusion Enterprises Ltd
    Pandemic Horde
    #14 - 2013-01-08 20:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cage Man
    Any sentry carrier will clear sites very quickly.. gone are the days of a thany with its fighter bonuses being the best. Just fit at least 3 drone damage mods, 2 omni's 2 drone links for range and the rest dcu's, warp in at range and melt stuff.. if local has reds or neuts.. scoop and allign and use normal drones if brave or just warp away.... I used to use a chimera to do this in null.. works like a charm. OH, and a sebo is a also good to have. Chimera with invuln, em ward, shield boost amp and cap rep can tank just about anything.

    EDIT --- just fyi.. sentries have no travel time.. so will clear sites faster than fighters..
    Ckra Trald
    Ckra Trald Corporation
    #15 - 2013-01-08 20:40:50 UTC
    Rattlesnake.

    Massive tank and not super expensive incase you get jumped.

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    Solotta Erquilenne
    #16 - 2013-01-09 05:46:18 UTC
    lol this whole thread.
    Zhilia Mann
    Tide Way Out Productions
    #17 - 2013-01-09 05:55:01 UTC
    Nao Chen wrote:
    Hm...

    Looks like people have different opinion about using carriers for ratting:

    Since carriers have a bonus to fighter drones I suppose that I can take them as transport ship with jump drive, logistic abilities and a fleet of frigs. right?


    You just linked a 2009 thread and Liang mocking the living hell out of a very bad idea.

    Carriers are logistics ships, both in the sense that they rep things and the sense that they carry things from point A to point B. The fact that they do any damage at all is incidental to their main purpose. You're certainly not paying more for extra damage.
    bufnitza calatoare
    #18 - 2013-01-09 06:05:42 UTC
    Jack Miton wrote:
    You should use whichever supercarrier is the most expensive.
    That way you'll provide the best tears when you lose it.

    (don't rat in a capital...)



    isn't that what worm hole'rs do??

    escalations and all.

    do give **** advice when that's exactly what people do in wormholes as well.
    Signal11th
    #19 - 2013-01-09 08:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
    Nao Chen wrote:
    Hi.

    My main is Amarr and does cloud harvesting in Serpentis null-sec. But often I have to clear the site from npc beforehand. It is a rather annoying obstacle. I see no fun in it. Now I use tengu, but it is still time consuming.

    Here's my questions:

    1. Would Archon (solo!) clear the site much faster then solo tengu?
    2. Drone skills is a must for Archon, but is Triage crucial for solo-ratting?
    3. Dreadnoughts (e.g. Revelation) are not made for shooting bunches of small targets like npc rats?

    I am not considering Nyx nor Thanatos, 'cos main is Amarr.
    I'm not much worried for being ganged 'cos 90% ships in those parts are pluses.



    Just setup a carrier as either a sentry boat, clears sites very quickly but downside is you can't be aligned or B: Use the fighters to clear the site stay aligned and warp our if needed the fighters will follow you in warp. Drop me a message if you wants fits.

    Christ you can rat in anything you want and if you're not a complete idiot the chances of losing it are rare to say the least.

    God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

    Nao Chen
    #20 - 2013-01-09 08:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Nao Chen
    I got answers to all 3 questions. Thanx to everybody. I do understand much more about carriers role now. Great.

    When training of car is over I'll simply count dps (with my skills and imps) of car and rattlesnake and make a choice. That simple. I'll also take in account that carrier can be hidden under cloak and, when work done, can grab the whole stock of gas and deliver to our station in one jump. This is one more advantage of the carrier in gas mining op where I have to clear the site from the rats.

    As for the protection of my car, well, there's always minimum 20 pilots from my corp in 3 jumps + my pvp-alt. Not to mention alliance guys everywhere. Many will be only too happy if I get ganked =)
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