EVE General Discussion

You are probably right. Microsoft and Apple designed those systems for idiots, no wonder only idiots use them.

That's like arguing against sending people to Mars by saying, "Show me one good example of a successful, manned mission to Mars".
I'm not arguing for a migration to a tablet - Hell, I don't even own a tablet - But I AM saying that it may be an essential part of gaming in the future, and trying to deny it will only make you guys like those grumpy old men who fortify themselves in their apartments because they lost touch with the real world.
Concepts like Facebook, smartphones, bluetooth or virtual reality (it's coming as a mainstream consumer thing) means nothing to them, just like, in a few years or decades, the full meaning of mobile gaming (and God knows what else) will mean nothing to you.




What you're linking to is not vision, it's just more of the same (a lot more, granted).

I can see that my post about conservative Eve players lacking vision caused some hurt feelings, so I guess that makes me a winning forum warrior. Yay, no need to l2p or gb2wow then.

In ten years, your gaming experience will still consist of you sitting at a desk with a giant lump of metal at your feet, heating your house and driving your 22" monitors.
Mine might be three 22" wall mounted touch screens which connect wirelessly to my phone the moment I walk through the door.
I will, of course, already be online on my 3.2" phone screen, updating orders, fitting ships and communicating with my corp mates, but now I have it all at the tips of my fingers and is ready to undock and fight.
Or maybe I'll put on my tracking gloves and VR glasses and be immersed in a full 360 degree space environment. Who knows?
Have fun sitting on your old pizza-stained office chair clicking the same, tired keyboard combinations on your triple 22" rig :)

You just describled custom builded PC

We already have VR glasses, We already have tracking gloves, we already have head tracking, some PC enthusialist have 360 degree touch screen monitor panorama or they have connected their whole intelligent house with mobile phone and central computer :) all this is already avalible fo PCs Its just about your imagination and technical skills to make it hapen.

Your biased view on PC users (40 year old fat virgins, eating pizza on their keyboard somewhere in the basement) is just silly. Maybe you should stop watching comercials and Apple PRs.

Believe me. When they release something that will be much better than keyboard+mouse (in speak of fast response, precision and versatility), PC users will be the first using it (in fact, they will probably invent it)

All we are saying is just that EVE is designed for keyboard+mouse, because touch interface (as it is now) is just cumbersome and clumsy for games like EVE.

Just look at FPS games, what have they became when devs started making compromises between already perfect keyb+mouse (for fps genre) and gamepads.

And most people still can't even drive a regular car properly...

Ehm... So you're comparing my current situation with your future one? Why would you assume my situation won't change aswell? Do you think about what you post before you post it? :P

For the record, in 10 years i'll have a 5m wall covered with plasma wallpaper, that or a holographic display room. Still miles ahead of what your mobile device at that time might be able to generate.

You should also think about whether you want to input controls with a touch interface for any longer term gaming... It's extremely exhaustive to wave your arms around all the time, especially on the level of your head, where your vision will probably be. Try moving your arms over your PC screen for half an hour and then try to imagine you doing that in a 4 hour fleet op.

A mouse and keyboard might be old, but they're good. They minimize the movement necessary for a very, VERY large range of input. These forms of input will not go away untill you can reliably (!) control input with cerebral implants and connections, and even then there will remain a niche market for such devices for the people who don't want invasive brain surgery to make it happen.


I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but mobile devices will never replace static rigs - One always follows the other as one is necessary to make the other possible in the first place. Mobile devices chase after static rigs, not the other way around. Your smartphone wants to be a pc, but your pc doesnt want to be an smartphone. Can't you see this simple fact?

The entire argument that mobile devices will overtake and/or replace static rigs is based on the assumption that static rigs will never develop further. Why accuse us stalwart PC users of lack of vision when you yourself hypocritically deny that any development can and will happen in "old school" systems?

That, and you (and other people advocating the 'rise of the mobile devices') systematically ignore the fact that PC's have been happily dying since the 70's, where in fact they'ev never been more profitable as a gaming platform. How exactly does that fit in to your hypothesis?

I challenge you: Leave your PC behind. Sell it. Destroy it, whatever. Use your tablet and smartphone for EVERYTHING you'd normally use a PC for.

Remiel Pollard also stated something quite important: As long as the power is available, developers will use it. PC's will keep getting more powerful, vastly outpacing any 'lesser' device, now and in the future. Developers will want to use that power, even if just to satisfy their own curiousity. To get the full experience for any game you will always need a PC, even in the best case you'll only be playing 'half' a game on a mobile device, now aswell as in the future.

... If I was in this thread to collect frustrated tears, I'd Eve-O's Charlie Sheen by now :D



Guys, guys, breathe.
I never said mobile devices will completely replace PCs. I do, however, believe that they will take up a substantial part of the market.
Of course bigger machines will have more computing power, but not everybody will feel the need to have a decomissioned aircraft hangar plastered with organic OLED screens and an electrode attached to their wieners for max power gaming.

BTW, touch technology was an example of what the future might bring, but with that said, it's only hard in the long run if you're a 40 year old, pizza-eating virgin who never exercises :-P

EDIT: Stoopid quote tags :rolleyes:

Wow this is still going on, although it looks to be mostly running in circles.

The time when there is "enough calculating power" is when we get a virtual reality indistinguishable from real life. Nothing less will ever satisfy those striving for perfection.

And frankly, I can't see a mobile device getting there anytime soon.

A whole lot on conjecture.

laptop/tablet/desktop

who cares. 1 day the tablet will be so powerful you will be able to run eve on it and plug in a mouse keyboard and even screens,

By then, you'll be able to get even more power on a physically larger device.