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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#21 - 2013-01-08 00:43:57 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
PS. the ships still aren't balanced.


Come on, they're perfectly balanced. That's why you see an even mix of them in the belts.... oh...


My God, it's Full of Macks!


not to mention the skiff/procurer still doesn't have a use.


Bait.
Sara Mars
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-01-08 00:45:38 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
what would happen if all the miners went on strike? Shocked


I would suspect they would foam out of the mouth after 6 hrs of said strike, Their rly not an organized bunch.
Dave Stark
#23 - 2013-01-08 00:45:45 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
PS. the ships still aren't balanced.


Come on, they're perfectly balanced. That's why you see an even mix of them in the belts.... oh...


My God, it's Full of Macks!


not to mention the skiff/procurer still doesn't have a use.


Bait.


yeah, i meant a use as a mining ship.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-01-08 00:58:17 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
what would happen if all the miners went on strike? Shocked


I would have a good laugh every time I checked to see if the strike was ongoing
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#25 - 2013-01-08 01:01:38 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
what would happen if all the miners went on strike? Shocked


The belts would continue to be full of miners.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-01-08 01:11:12 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
PS. the ships still aren't balanced.


Come on, they're perfectly balanced. That's why you see an even mix of them in the belts.... oh...


My God, it's Full of Macks!


and when it was hulks in the belts, this level of concern for imbalance was posted where exactly?
Dave Stark
#27 - 2013-01-08 01:12:21 UTC
GetSirrus wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
PS. the ships still aren't balanced.


Come on, they're perfectly balanced. That's why you see an even mix of them in the belts.... oh...


My God, it's Full of Macks!


and when it was hulks in the belts, this level of concern for imbalance was posted where exactly?


the ships weren't meant to be balanced then, they were meant to be a tier system hence it worked fine.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#28 - 2013-01-08 01:21:05 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
what would happen if all the miners went on strike? Shocked


Isn't being permanently AFK like being on strike already?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2013-01-08 01:22:15 UTC
GetSirrus wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
PS. the ships still aren't balanced.


Come on, they're perfectly balanced. That's why you see an even mix of them in the belts.... oh...


My God, it's Full of Macks!


and when it was hulks in the belts, this level of concern for imbalance was posted where exactly?


How many Hulks did you see in the Ice belts?
How many Hulks did you see mining Merx?

When the Hulk was king, CCP's stated design goal for Exhumers was for the Hulk to be king of Ore. Ore belts full of Hulks was literally working as intended. Besides that, the Hulk was balanced very well. A Tanked Hulk could not be ganked profitably, and mined better than any other ship in the game. An untanked hulk could easily be ganked profitably, but either mined more or had a bigger cargo than the tanked hulk. A midslot-only tanked Hulk could only be ganked profitably in certain situations.


With the barge buff, however, CCP's stated goal was for each ship to be useful in general mining. They failed because they made the Mack good at everything that matters, and the best at the demonstrated most important aspect of mining (cargo).

Second best tank, second best yield, best cargohold. The tank is such that it's unprofitable to gank even un-tanked and AFK. The yield is such that the loss compared to the Hulk is not worth the effort of being ATK. And of course, the cargo means you can mine for close to an hour without touching a thing.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#30 - 2013-01-08 01:38:28 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
PS. the ships still aren't balanced.


Come on, they're perfectly balanced. That's why you see an even mix of them in the belts.... oh...


My God, it's Full of Macks!


not to mention the skiff/procurer still doesn't have a use.


I like my Proc but I fail at EVE. 8 years in I still refuse to micro manage every ship down to its .5 effic factor.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Dave Stark
#31 - 2013-01-08 01:40:17 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
PS. the ships still aren't balanced.


Come on, they're perfectly balanced. That's why you see an even mix of them in the belts.... oh...


My God, it's Full of Macks!


not to mention the skiff/procurer still doesn't have a use.


I like my Proc but I fail at EVE. 8 years in I still refuse to micro manage every ship down to its .5 effic factor.


uh, what?
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#32 - 2013-01-08 01:41:55 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Ioci wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
PS. the ships still aren't balanced.


Come on, they're perfectly balanced. That's why you see an even mix of them in the belts.... oh...


My God, it's Full of Macks!


not to mention the skiff/procurer still doesn't have a use.


I like my Proc but I fail at EVE. 8 years in I still refuse to micro manage every ship down to its .5 effic factor.


uh, what?


I like my Proc but I fail at EVE. 8 years in I still refuse to micro manage every ship down to its .5 effic factor.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-01-08 01:42:31 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
not to mention the skiff/procurer still doesn't have a use.


Sure it does, baiting on gates.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Merouk Baas
#34 - 2013-01-08 01:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Merouk Baas
Occupy The Roids will never disperse! Never! The 1% PVP'ers can try all they want.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#35 - 2013-01-08 01:51:56 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Ioci wrote:
I like my Proc but I fail at EVE. 8 years in I still refuse to micro manage every ship down to its .5 effic factor.


uh, what?


He's saying that he intentionally uses the worst tool for the job he chooses to do because it's less efficient at doing that job.

I think he's a hipster.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#36 - 2013-01-08 02:10:39 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Ioci wrote:
I like my Proc but I fail at EVE. 8 years in I still refuse to micro manage every ship down to its .5 effic factor.


uh, what?


He's saying that he intentionally uses the worst tool for the job he chooses to do because it's less efficient at doing that job.

I think he's a hipster.


Not that it makes any difference what you think but in fact, a Proc has a 12K Ore hold allowing for 20K Omber to be taken to a station. When I mine to manufacture I run a Macki on Plag and get 100K Plag to fill and 2 Proc for Omber. The 2 Proc will fill twice in the time it takes to fill the Macki. Total of 80K Omber to 100K Plag. Add in the variant amounts of Omber in high sec, it works to exploit what is available in the belts.

It's almost like I know what I am doing and not seeing each ship for the ISK making potential it has by selling minerals to super cap builders.
Dave Stark
#37 - 2013-01-08 02:11:55 UTC
Ocih wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Ioci wrote:
I like my Proc but I fail at EVE. 8 years in I still refuse to micro manage every ship down to its .5 effic factor.


uh, what?


He's saying that he intentionally uses the worst tool for the job he chooses to do because it's less efficient at doing that job.

I think he's a hipster.


Not that it makes any difference what you think but in fact, a Proc has a 12K Ore hold allowing for 20K Omber to be taken to a station. When I mine to manufacture I run a Macki on Plag and get 100K Plag to fill and 2 Proc for Omber. The 2 Proc will fill twice in the time it takes to fill the Macki. Total of 80K Omber to 100K Plag. Add in the variant amounts of Omber in high sec, it works to exploit what is available in the belts.

It's almost like I know what I am doing and not seeing each ship for the ISK making potential it has by selling minerals to super cap builders.


mining omber
confirmed for hipster.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-01-08 02:16:27 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
i'd carry on mining and benefit from mineral supplies drying up and i'd sell all of mine at outrageously high prices and laugh at the idiots not mining.


the miner union could get in catalysts and gank the scabs Shocked


They could just use the bounty system to put bounties on mine.. oh wait.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#39 - 2013-01-08 02:18:56 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Not that it makes any difference what you think but in fact, a Proc has a 12K Ore hold allowing for 20K Omber to be taken to a station. When I mine to manufacture I run a Macki on Plag and get 100K Plag to fill and 2 Proc for Omber. The 2 Proc will fill twice in the time it takes to fill the Macki. Total of 80K Omber to 100K Plag. Add in the variant amounts of Omber in high sec, it works to exploit what is available in the belts.

It's almost like I know what I am doing and not seeing each ship for the ISK making potential it has by selling minerals to super cap builders.


The ore you are mining has no effect on the yield or cargo of your ship.

Now, compare the Procurer/Skiff and the Retriever/Mack and we find that in both cases, the Retriever/Mack has a bigger Ore hold and higher yield (due to the 3rd Low Slot).

In other words, you'd get more Omber (lol) using Retrievers in the place of your Procurers. (Macks, ofc would be an even bigger improvement).

You are intentionally using a worse tool for a job you've chosen. It seems that the reason you do that is that you suddenly get bored halfway through filling a Mack and feel the urge to have something warp to station. The increased yield of the Retri/Mack means that even if you make that random warp, you'll end up with more Ore/time/effort than you currently do.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#40 - 2013-01-08 02:21:21 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Ocih wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Ioci wrote:
I like my Proc but I fail at EVE. 8 years in I still refuse to micro manage every ship down to its .5 effic factor.


uh, what?


He's saying that he intentionally uses the worst tool for the job he chooses to do because it's less efficient at doing that job.

I think he's a hipster.


Not that it makes any difference what you think but in fact, a Proc has a 12K Ore hold allowing for 20K Omber to be taken to a station. When I mine to manufacture I run a Macki on Plag and get 100K Plag to fill and 2 Proc for Omber. The 2 Proc will fill twice in the time it takes to fill the Macki. Total of 80K Omber to 100K Plag. Add in the variant amounts of Omber in high sec, it works to exploit what is available in the belts.

It's almost like I know what I am doing and not seeing each ship for the ISK making potential it has by selling minerals to super cap builders.


mining omber
confirmed for hipster.


I prefer eccentric. I don't mine or manufacture out of Jita either. I know, the inefficiency of it all. It's like I played EVE like it was a video game or something.