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Question for the Corp Shares with Scenario
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Opsblitz
Shadow State
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-01-07 15:37:54 UTC
I understand what the shares are for but let me give a scenario to see if this is how it works.

Scenario 1

Corp has 4 directors and 1 CEO
CEO hands out equal amounts of shares to all 4 Directors and himself
Corp has many BPO's that are currently locked down.
CEO with the knowledge of directors places unlock votes on BPO's

question ?

If the Directors do not vote one way or the other and the CEO is the only one to vote do the BPO's unlock ?

Scenario 2

All Directors and CEO have equal shares.
CEO descides to rob corp of all assets
All Directors and CEO have equal shares

Question ?

If the CEO removes all roles from the directors then places unlock votes on BPO's do the share holders still have the ability to vote no on unlock?

If CEO does action mentioned above do the corp members with share have the ability to vote out CEO?

Thanks for any info
Jane Schereau
#2 - 2013-01-07 16:47:33 UTC
If you have shares, you can vote, regardless of your roles.
Keno Skir
#3 - 2013-01-07 16:52:11 UTC
It's my understanding you need certain roles in order to INSTIGATE some votes. But any member with shares may vote upon the event.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-07 18:29:14 UTC
Bad thief if you steal before you have full action.

Good thief would unlock all the BPOs first and then make a move.

And this is also why in all corps I have been in that all in game shares were at the CEO and all voting was done using the forums etc.

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vikari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-07 18:37:53 UTC
1.) Regardless of roles, once a vote is initiated those with shares will have the option to vote. The CEO in this case obviously has 25% of the shares, so unless enough people vote against the action to make up more shares then him, he's request will go through. This can be an issue because if the other 3 directors do not vote, ultimately the CEO is going to succeed.

2.) CEO can be removed if the share holders make a majority vote. How it work is anyone with 5% or more of the corporation shares (and the Corporation Management skill at 2 or higher) can force a vote for them to take over CEO of the corp. Assuming that more then 50% of the vote (shares) are supporting the change then the CEO will transfer.

Some information that can help you:

Eve Wiki (Shares): http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares
Eve Wiki (Claim CEO via vote): http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CEO_replacement

Generally speaking shares can be very dangerous. I personally believe that a CEO should take all the shares within the corp and hold on to them. If the CEO wants the corp to fail, no matter what it is going to fail. They should be the most trustworthy source in trying to keep the corporation successful.
Opsblitz
Shadow State
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-01-07 18:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Opsblitz
The main one is if the ceo removes director roles can the ex drectors with shares still be able to vote out ceo before 24 hour period because then ceo can kick you from corp.

Dont get me wrong. I am trying to prevent a situation that happened to us before were the ceo droped our director roles then unlocked and sold over 1.5T in BPO's ranging from T2 minmatar to SC and T BPO's along with many many many capital comp and carriers and dreads and so forth.

I am trying to understand how the different scenarios can come into play before making the mistake again.

I want to give share to the directors of equal value.
So say I descide to drop their director roles and in 24 hours will kick them from corp. Do they still have the ability to vote me out of ceo before that 24 hors is up so that I cant take over the corp and assets?

I am trying to think of different scenarios to prevent this from happening. so gi ve different scenarios that I can work with and how the shares / votes come into play.
Opsblitz
Shadow State
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-01-07 18:48:51 UTC
vikari wrote:
1.) Regardless of roles, once a vote is initiated those with shares will have the option to vote. The CEO in this case obviously has 25% of the shares, so unless enough people vote against the action to make up more shares then him, he's request will go through. This can be an issue because if the other 3 directors do not vote, ultimately the CEO is going to succeed.

2.) CEO can be removed if the share holders make a majority vote. How it work is anyone with 5% or more of the corporation shares (and the Corporation Management skill at 2 or higher) can force a vote for them to take over CEO of the corp. Assuming that more then 50% of the vote (shares) are supporting the change then the CEO will transfer.

Some information that can help you:

Eve Wiki (Shares): http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares
Eve Wiki (Claim CEO via vote): http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CEO_replacement

Generally speaking shares can be very dangerous. I personally believe that a CEO should take all the shares within the corp and hold on to them. If the CEO wants the corp to fail, no matter what it is going to fail. They should be the most trustworthy source in trying to keep the corporation successful.


Thanks Vikari that is what I was wanting to know. All of my directors are trustworthy but this game has a way of turning peoples minds and as you can see from my last post we had our asses handed to us because oif trustworthy which i trusted him as well.

Anyways thanks for all the info on this matter gentlemen and as always fly safe and see you in space.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-01-07 23:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Opsblitz wrote:
vikari wrote:
1.) Regardless of roles, once a vote is initiated those with shares will have the option to vote. The CEO in this case obviously has 25% of the shares, so unless enough people vote against the action to make up more shares then him, he's request will go through. This can be an issue because if the other 3 directors do not vote, ultimately the CEO is going to succeed.

2.) CEO can be removed if the share holders make a majority vote. How it work is anyone with 5% or more of the corporation shares (and the Corporation Management skill at 2 or higher) can force a vote for them to take over CEO of the corp. Assuming that more then 50% of the vote (shares) are supporting the change then the CEO will transfer.

Some information that can help you:

Eve Wiki (Shares): http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares
Eve Wiki (Claim CEO via vote): http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CEO_replacement

Generally speaking shares can be very dangerous. I personally believe that a CEO should take all the shares within the corp and hold on to them. If the CEO wants the corp to fail, no matter what it is going to fail. They should be the most trustworthy source in trying to keep the corporation successful.


Thanks Vikari that is what I was wanting to know. All of my directors are trustworthy but this game has a way of turning peoples minds and as you can see from my last post we had our asses handed to us because oif trustworthy which i trusted him as well.

Anyways thanks for all the info on this matter gentlemen and as always fly safe and see you in space.


As you are the CEO in this case, I suggest:

1.) Take all shares
2.) Make a Directors/CEO mailing list.
3.) If you need to vote about something, use that mailing list

4.) Mailing list can be replaced with corporate forums with dedicated "leadership only" threads

Most of the votes are trivial and can be voted about with means other then the in game voting ability.
BPOs that are locked, should stay locked unless the CEO (you) says they should be unlocked (rules 2 of EVE: Trust NOBODY that you can't kick in the balls in real life, and even those, don't trust them. We are talking about EVE here).

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Lukas Flamesword
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-09 11:18:53 UTC
as a corp CEO. you should keep ALL shares to yourself. if someone gets enough shares + enough members to vote for him. he can kick you off the throne and leave you with nothing.