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Missioners: What is your goal?

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Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#41 - 2011-10-21 16:40:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Those are the people I'm looking for, I assume it would be fair after this long that people like that do not frequent / visit the forums at all. Oh well.


Well they either

1. Don't frequent these forums
2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.
3. There are far fewer of them than you think. If anything this thread should have shown that by in large, most missioners don't do it 24/7 and nothing else.

As an example i have a friend in game who might seem to qualify as a hard core missioner. He runs TONS of missions. he has pimped out ships worth more than I have ever made just to run them faster.

But even he is doing it to fund other things. He is always actively out there when we have wardecs and PVP roams. For him missions are his favorite, most efficient means of generating mad isk.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2011-10-22 11:44:27 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
The one question I left in there makes it sound a LOT like a troll. You might not have intended it that way but on its own, maybe you'll see why some people are offended by it. You're basically belittling missioning with that question.

I don't do missions. I joined in when my corpmates ran missions, but rarely started them on my own. I actually have a hard time getting jump clones because I've never put in the effort to get the requisite standings with enough NPC corps. Still, I think I understand the mission runners well enough.

1) It's the first thing they are introduced to in Eve. The tutorials are a series of missions, so it's easy to step from the training missions to Sisters of Eve to normal faction missions as your first activity. After a few weeks of missions and getting new ships, they become invested in missions both in experience and the skill training they choose. After a while, it's just what they do best/easiest.

2) It has some appeal to the same OCD crowd who will play the same platformer over and over to get a better score/time/whatever. Pick a metric: isk/hour, mission times, standings, NPC kill count, whatever...doing better than their previous best drives them.

3) You may see ships as disposable tools, but they might see ships as vehicles, property, even the closest thing they have to a "home" in Eve. It's the thing they spend the most time in, can customize, and show off. They started in a Merlin, moved up to a Cormorant, then to a Caracal, a Drake, a Raven, a Tengu, then a Golem. Every upgrade was a reward to them. T2 large weapons training completed? Time to upgrade. You might think it's silly, but there is a whole genre of flash games out there where "complete this repetitive task to get upgrades" is the entire game.

(edit: for that matter, almost every single player game and multiplayer RPGs does this: the further you progress, the more cool stuff you get to use. They've been conditioned for this mentality by nearly every game there is)

4) It's a means to an end. Locator agents, station taxes, jump clones, and isk to buy ships and PLEX can all be had via missions. Sometimes you have to grind to get to stuff you need/want.

5) While they're running missions and amassing wealth and ships, they are also training skills. Have you forgotten that every minute an account is active, it can be training? They may have other goals and simply be using missions to pass the time while they complete their training.


/thread

This just about sums it up perfectly I would think.
Whyumadtho
Doomheim
#43 - 2011-10-22 12:42:29 UTC
I did it to pimp out my tengu with really expensive faction gear and get a few hundred mil spare. Now im headed out to 0.0 and leaving the tengu in high sec as a backup plan in case I get my arse handed to me which is a distinct possibility.

Mission accomplished.

Also it was something to do while waiting on enough skillpoints to be of some use.
Zarutha
The Night Crew
The Night Crew Alliance
#44 - 2011-10-23 06:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarutha
I mission run for the following :
1. Limited time - want to get on an play for an hour.
2. For standing to do research, refine ore, or to get LP.
3. If I'm bored and it's a slow corp day.
4. I enjoy multiboxing, it actually makes them fun controling 3 characters.

Mission running for me is about 15% of my game time. I will say running sites in wormholes feels like group mission running because of its repetitive nature. I wish they added a little polish to Eve's PVE content, it could use it, but it's not why I like Eve.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#45 - 2011-10-23 09:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
Well as someone who usually doesn't play for more than an hour an evening (anymore), the options are pretty limited.
Things like PvP roams or Incursions require a lot of preparation and traveling - an hour isn't enough to even get organized, get together and fleet up, let alone do things. EVE is a very slow and sluggish game what that's concerned. Whatever is being said, EVE isn't a game for casual players at all.

I'm making money and buy new ships. I just trained my Amarr battleships and now switch between my Tengu and an Abaddon so I can get familiar with that ship. When I'm missioning for a new NPC corp I try out a lot of ships so I get to know them, their feel, speed, way of tanking, range and such. I'm not that rich and I don't make that much money that I can easily afford to lose my (bigger) T2 ships in PvP - and what do I learn when I lose it 10 minutes into a fight? Missions are also a safe playground to practice.

Of course it would get boring, happily there's always people to have a fun chat with while missioning.
Carlos Aceveda
Border World Exports.
#46 - 2011-10-23 14:33:47 UTC
Missions aren't really a safe playground to practice anything else than, flying that mission. How you chose your ship, fitting philosophy and the way you fly it is very different to high, low or null-sec combat. The best practice is still out on the Test server.

To answer OP's question: Missioners are doing it for the standing, which results in lower tax (i.e. markets, refining) and being able to place a POS in high-sec for secure industry. I personally for example don't enjoy the mission grind and try to keep it to a minimum but right now for example I'm looking into getting my jita market alts standing to a point where I have minimum taxes in Jita 4-4, while training his accounting and broker relations to V.
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-10-24 07:55:33 UTC
I mission,,, a lot. I guess I am just the sort of person who likes to refine things. And because missions are static you can get real comparative results. Flying against a person there are a lot of unknowable factors. Against a rat I know if a change in tactics had an effect and I have a pretty finite approximation of that change. There are a lot of inherent differences in hulls that do not show up on paper. Sure they will show up in PVP as well but there are the unknowables. Did my speed tank work or was that just a garbage pilot? Am I getting good tranversal or was I just armed for his tank by luck? So to get real results on what I am improving on in tactic or just skill affects Missions make a good control.
You know what I don't get? LowSec. In null you have actual territory and resources to fight over. That makes sense to me. I am a big one on having goals. Just pew-pew for the hell of it makes no sense to me. I mean if that is really the sort of thing you enjoy there's this device called an X-Box. Piles of games on there where you can PVP and do nothing else. Like all day. And there is no game economy or skill training to mess with. It's like the whole game is low sec.

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

James5955
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2011-10-24 09:37:59 UTC
I mission ran all the time, almost religiously until recently.

I liked the thought of doing missions to get better ships, so I can do them better. Always found myself completing the missions faster and faster, and eventually got into dual boxing lvl 4's which made it much more entertaining and faster. Rattlesnake was one of my goals that I eventually reached, that was a nice accomplishment... now I have that ship and while it is fit for level 4s, I can easily refit it for other activities, not like the ships I bought will only ever be used for missions.

It's also really easy to do and I can run missions quickly, I don't have to wait on anyone or worry about other people. I just want to make a bit of isk and only have an hour or so then I can run a few missions and come out with a decent increase in isk.

Gives me something to do when bored and the game seems slow and corp members aren't online. Just let my SP rack up while I make some isk so I can buy any ships I want and put the best equipment on them. That's probably my main reason of grinding isk, just to spend it on awesome ships :)
Jaketh Ivanes
Rigorous Rivals
#49 - 2011-10-24 13:34:44 UTC
I mission because I don't have enough play time to PvP.

I mission in ineffective ships because it's fun.

I still play because this is the only real space MMO, Black Prophecy doesn't really cut it and neiter did Star Trek Online. Space part of STO was cool, but there were to much land based missions...
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-10-24 14:17:11 UTC
Jaketh Ivanes wrote:
I mission because I don't have enough play time to PvP.

I mission in ineffective ships because it's fun.

I still play because this is the only real space MMO, Black Prophecy doesn't really cut it and neiter did Star Trek Online. Space part of STO was cool, but there were to much land based missions...


Yeah some of that too. I'd be crazy to try anything else on the connection we have at work I run a lot of missions on the clock because it is no risk. If I have to suddenly work on my unit I can just warp to station and come back to it. kind of umm well the reason griefers PvP in HiSec. It's a no risk activity and if things are'nt going well you can just bounce to the Orca Alt. When you are decced you have to be able to play 100% every time, which can be kind of fun. But often enough I jst want to get on and play without all that hassle.

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

Barbelo Valentinian
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#51 - 2011-10-24 15:39:13 UTC
I PvE because I'm crap at PvP but I still want to fly a spaceship around in combat.

Apart from that, I like trying out the missions in different fits and different ships. I'm also now on the LP path and the path to MOAR DPS.

Basically I play the game more to get into a trance state, not so much (until more recently) to achieve, accumulate or compete. I'm in it for the immersion, for the feel of pretending I'm a space pilot out in the vastness of space.

The minimal danger from NPCs and the greater danger from other players just spices it up a bit, makes the background to my make-believe adventures that bit more realistic and immersive.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#52 - 2011-10-24 16:24:05 UTC
My goal is to get 8+ standings with every corporation that has medical facilities in losec/nosec space so that Jump Frog will have clone creation and pod express facilities all over EVE.

Its also worth noting that while you can buy almost anything from the market, missioning and LP are the only way to avoid market fluctuations on big ticket items like Nomad sets and the like.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronins
#53 - 2011-10-24 19:33:25 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:

What makes you think mission runners "mission endlessly"?



No where did I say that, I was looking for mission runners who DO run missions endlessly. Apparently this is less common than expected.

Substantia Nigra wrote:


That's an interesting thought because I consider myself a mission runner, some of the time, but don't view myself as missioning endlessly.


And yet don't meet the criteria of what I'm looking for.

Substantia Nigra wrote:


So, are you only interested in mission runners who meet these particular criteria, or is this how you see mission runners?



I'm looking for people who meet the criteria, not implying that anyone who missions is like this.

Substantia Nigra wrote:


Is this how you see mission running?

If so, your understanding of what mission running is differs quite markedly from mine. Vive la difference (however spelled).



This IS mission running. There are few missions to choose from and they never change. To be more specific this is L4 mission running. Unless you know of some super secret pool of L4 missions that I am unaware of?

Substantia Nigra wrote:


Intriguing insert. Makes me wonder whether OP is actually interested in his posed questions or is more interested in using them as a springboard for espousing some of his views of the universe.



This is my view on ships and progress in EVE in general. I have a viewpoint as I think. I never once said that anything outside of this viewpoint is stupid and/or wrong.

I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronins
#54 - 2011-10-24 19:41:49 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:


I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.


Hmmmm, I think we have a series of wonderful beer commercials that aptly respond to this ... Yeah right!!



I did not watch your video link but I assume that you are of the opinion that I am either: Not a former player ie still playing, interested in the viewpoints of missioners, or both. I guess my name doesn't really lend to looking like a non-troll either, or the couple suicide ganks on miners on battleclinic.

Regardless, I was interested in the viewpoints of missioners when I first started the topic, but the overwhelmingly defensive response from a clearly jaded crowd has made me lose interest.

Your analysis of my posts was rather amusing, but isn't really on-topic now is it? Perhaps you should post a little more constructively.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronins
#55 - 2011-10-24 19:43:51 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:


2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.


Highlight these, please.

Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronins
#56 - 2011-10-24 20:01:53 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression?

....

This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.


The one question I left in there makes it sound a LOT like a troll. You might not have intended it that way but on its own, maybe you'll see why some people are offended by it. You're basically belittling missioning with that question.



I noticed that after a while, but I decided against editing it to read in a less offensive and direct manner since what was said was said, and editing like that would ruin the flow of conversation.

This is how it is from an objective, outside viewpoint. There is little risk in the majority of missioning and you do dominate the NPCs. What people take from this fact (and it is a fact for the average player who does a mission) is their issue to be quite honest. If you feel that your missioning experience is diminished in some way because someone said it was a low-risk activity that you tend to dominate, perhaps you need to figure out why this cheapens the experience for you and rectify it or find a different activity for enjoyment.

Note that I only said little risk and dominate NPCs, I never said it was boring, senseless, trivial, stupid, pointless or any other thing that you would have a legitimate reason to be offended by. Those are subjective opinions, what I said was objective, they are irrefutable from the time of posting, for the average mission runner who uses a properly fitted battleship.

Suicide ganking is viewed as a despicable act to many, yet I enjoy it. There is little risk in a well-planned suicide gank, and dominating an unsuspecting and vulnerable player is part of the activity. I still enjoyed it when I did it.

Missioning was fun when I was just getting my feet wet with EVE, but it lost interest as there seemed to be no purpose behind it all, and I did it more to fund my suicide ganks which were not that many (this account was not the suicide account).

Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#57 - 2011-10-24 20:13:32 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:


2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.


Highlight these, please.

Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance.


Already had earlier in the thread.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronins
#58 - 2011-10-24 20:40:16 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:


2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.


Highlight these, please.

Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance.


Already had earlier in the thread.


Those were refuted, and had no merit in any case as they were judged by baseless assumption and no real fact. Yet you still make statements that my replies mostly come across as troll-ish.

Trolling is not having a differing viewpoint. Trolling is replying with inflammatory responses designed to de-rail and or cause a desired response in others that is almost always negative.

You are the troll.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronins
#59 - 2011-10-24 20:51:07 UTC
Goose99 wrote:


A better question would be: why do you care?Roll


You know how people say there is no such thing as a stupid question?

This is a stupid question. I have a reason, whatever it may be. Just like you have a reason for galloping in on your horse to trumpet your unwanted and off-topic points.


Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#60 - 2011-10-24 20:55:42 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:


2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.


Highlight these, please.

Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance.


Already had earlier in the thread.


Those were refuted, and had no merit in any case as they were judged by baseless assumption and no real fact. Yet you still make statements that my replies mostly come across as troll-ish.

Trolling is not having a differing viewpoint. Trolling is replying with inflammatory responses designed to de-rail and or cause a desired response in others that is almost always negative.

You are the troll.



You replying =/= a refute.

Far more people liked my post, and other posts similar to mine than any of yours. Maybe "bait" would be a more accurate term than "troll"

If anything, hopefully you have learned that there are far fewer mindless mission grinders in EVE than you maybe had expected. I think it is fair to surmise from this thread, which holds true to the people I know in game, that a majority of mission runners are doing it as a means of generating isk for other activities.