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Maximum P.L.?
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Cj Staal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-07 15:30:25 UTC
What would be the maximum production efficiency level?
That being, what would be the most efficient level? [time taken off production vs time invested in research?]
Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#2 - 2013-01-07 15:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Toku Jiang
I assume your talking about PE research on a BPO?

If this is our question then take a Drake BPO for instance.

Original BP Production time, with max skills, is 3hr 20 mins. PE 1 drops the time by 20 minutes. PE 2 drops the time by 7 minutes 40 seconds, PE 3 drops the time 3 mintues 20 seconds, PE 4 another 2 minutes, PE 5 1 minute 20 seconds, PE 6 drops 57 seconds, and the returns continue to diminish from there.

I typically use the rule of ME 10 PE 5 for most of my BPO's. This formula however does not apply to rigs or component BPO's as you will need to look at them on a case by case basis as the numbers are smaller the returns are smaller. On medium size rigs for example ME 3 or ME 4 is optimal and PE 5 is still desireable.

There are those that will do ME and PE to gain every last drop, but it is time consuming to get there and in my opinion not worth it.
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#3 - 2013-01-07 17:53:44 UTC
The time waste is something like 0.25/(1+PL). I tend to use 24 as a max target value depending upon how often I use a BPO and how long it takes. Ammo and drones get 24. Most ships I stop at 10 if I do any at all.

At PE 24, that gives about 14 minutes of "waste" on a 24 hour run.
Infinite Force
#4 - 2013-01-07 18:31:44 UTC
Backfyre wrote:
The time waste is something like 0.25/(1+PL). I tend to use 24 as a max target value depending upon how often I use a BPO and how long it takes. Ammo and drones get 24. Most ships I stop at 10 if I do any at all.

At PE 24, that gives about 14 minutes of "waste" on a 24 hour run.

This.

If your BPO isn't doing anything and you have free ME / PE slots that need to be running, then research more. Each BPO will have its own 'optimal' ME/PE levels. There are several sites out there that can help you determine if spending that additional month of ME training is worth saving 10 trit (hint, it usually isn't).

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Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-07 19:12:23 UTC
Cj Staal wrote:
What would be the maximum production efficiency level? That being, what would be the most efficient level? [time taken off production vs time invested in research?]
If you are going to be making a zillion of them (ammo, turrets, missile launchers, ingredients for T2 production) then you want a decent productivity level.

Except for capital ships, if you are only going to make a few over the course of years (such as the unpopular rigs), then doing any PL research is a waste of a research slot.

I use the BPO calculator to determine "good enough": http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo

For example, for Scourge Heavy Missiles (which we use like smarties), getting to PL 60 would reduce wasted time to 0s. I make about 1k batches per week so the difference between PL0 and PL60 is 16h 40m per week. It takes 4d 4h to get to PL 60 and the break-even point would be passed during week 6 of production (this presumes you have 1 BPO and are not making copies for T2 production).

For an example of what not to do... Herons, which I make maybe 3-4 per month, I got the PL to 15 and that was a total waste of research time. I'll need to make about 1600 of them to break even, so maybe 20 years from now?

If you are going to get into selling BPC, the market standard is sometimes for way past "0 waste". For example, light combat drone bpc are usually researched to ML100/ PL100, which is well past 0 waste, but that's what the market wants, so that's what you have to do to compete in the marketplace.
Media Jessup
Nuka-Cola
#6 - 2013-01-09 17:22:22 UTC
Huttan Funaila wrote:
[quote=Cj Staal]

I use the BPO calculator to determine "good enough": http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo



Yes this. Due to rounding you can get a max P.L. on some blueprints, but not all. This website also provides useful threshold values creating by the rounding.
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