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Proteus for high sec exploring
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Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-06 18:03:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Juwi Kotch
I was just playing around with EFT and pondering the thought to use a Proteus (I'm Gallente specialized) for high sec exploration. I was thinking about a ship which can scan, kill the rats decode and analyze sites, decode and analize, and probably do combat anomalies solo. I have never done this, but I believe that I will mostly run into frigate/destroyer class pirates, with some cruisers and a rare battlecruiser mixed in. Probably I will try this ship in low sec as well, where I would swap a tractor for a covered ops cloak.

So I came up with this setup:

Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade II

Damage Control II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Codebreaker II (Analyzer in cargo bay)

Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II (swap for covert ops cloak in low sec)
Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I (probably sisters instead)

Full flights of medium target painter drones, Hobgoblins II and salvage drones in drone bay.

According to EFT, stable cap, over 65k effective HP, over 420 m/s, however only 130 dp/s with with just a bit more than 500 dp volley damage.

What do you think?

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#2 - 2013-01-06 18:06:30 UTC
I think you need to do some more research.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-06 18:08:01 UTC
That makes my eyes bleed. I'm not even sure where to begin...

Try fitting a non T3 successfully first and then go back to a T3. A proteus isn't the best PVE ship. It can be done, but not like that.
Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-01-06 18:09:13 UTC
OK...? Some hints?

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#5 - 2013-01-06 18:15:25 UTC
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-06 18:17:22 UTC
Bah,

I was just getting started and the family is leaving for lunch. Anyhow real quick, your fit is just bad. Dual tanking? Buffer armor tank for PVE? No need for inderdiction nullifier sub in High or low (loses a low slot with it) No need for covert ops (go hybrid for more drones and an improved cloak for MWD cloak trick in low).

Start with that and fit like a T3 ishtar. with drone amps and the right subs you can push almost the same dps with 4 sentries as an ishtar with 5.
Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-06 22:22:16 UTC
Thanks. Basically, I take it, I don't need to be paranoid about being attacked and damaged in high sec exploration sites, and should invest more into dps, right?

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#8 - 2013-01-06 22:25:19 UTC
Juwi Kotch wrote:
Thanks. Basically, I take it, I don't need to be paranoid about being attacked and damaged in high sec exploration sites, and should invest more into dps, right?


Obviously, it's highsec. Why would you want a cloak in the first place? Don't aggress, have your drones set to passive, and if someone turns blinky red from ninja looting don't shoot at them. If they shoot at you, CONCORD will be on their merry way within a few moments. It's very simple - don't be stupid and the "gankers" will get nothing but wasted time and effort.

Max your dps, run the sites more quickly. Then again, you are investing a T3 for highsec exploration. Not sure why you're not just doing level 4 missions or Incursions with that much SP and ISK investment, tbh...more ISK income that way. Lowsec/null exploration is much more profitable (hundreds of millions of ISK more by far).

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Canabi
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#9 - 2013-01-06 22:28:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Canabi
Just use a Loki or Tengu. I'm at work and can't remember exactly what my Loki fit is, but it's 5 425mm w/ whatever ammo for the rats your killing and a Sisters Core scanner, mids is a 10mn afterburner, 3 shield hardeners (faction), one shield booster (large, faction), one T2 shield boost amp. In the low it's a PDCU II, and tracking / gyrostabs (can't remember exactly). If you have good cap skills, it's stable at around 30-35% with everything on, and you never go below 90-95% shields. Low sec is the same way, but you have to be careful for energy neuting if you're fighting that type of rat. Adjust shield hardeners for the rat types (2 EM 1 Thermal for Blood Raiders for example).
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-01-06 22:32:23 UTC
Here's something you could start with

531 dps with gardes. 783DPS tank against serpentis.

[Proteus, Proshtar]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Federation Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener

Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Drone Link Augmentor II
Improved Cloaking Device II
Expanded Probe Launcher I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5
Garde II x4
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#11 - 2013-01-07 01:50:01 UTC
Juwi Kotch wrote:
I was just playing around with EFT and pondering the thought to use a Proteus


You misspelled "Tengu" there.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-07 02:14:44 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Juwi Kotch wrote:
I was just playing around with EFT and pondering the thought to use a Proteus


You misspelled "Tengu" there.


FU! You made me spit my drink all over my iPad. I'll give you a like anyhow.
Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-07 07:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Juwi Kotch
Thanks guys. Just to clear something up: I don't play EVE to make ISK, but to relax and to look at pretty graphics. I have enough ISK and what I need, I make with science and industrial work. I have only one account with only one skilled pilot, so no alts either.

I had my fair share of lvl4 missions but never tried out explorations so far, that's why I want to take a look into that. I just came back to EVE after a 12 months pause, so I need to relearn much anyways.

I don't plan for a cloak on the Proteus unless I'm exploring in low-sec, what is rather unlikely for the foreseeable future. I'm stick with Gallente, because that is the only race right now where I actually can fly a T3 cruiser, and where I have decent weaponry skills. The problem for me is, that Gallente is quite drone heavy, and dealing with drones is just to much hassle for my taste, so I would like to avoid fighting with drones. Especially after what I have read about the new NPC AI.

I never was fond of the big boats, and the ships I flew the most during the past years was the Eris and the Phobos - without ever using them in their dedicated role. I think that the T3 cruiser could become my multipurpose standard ship for the coming years, so I would like to learn the ropes and to fit and fly it. I just start with exploration since that is what I would like to try out atm.

I want to relax and not to loose my ship, ISK making or utmost efficiency is not among my primary goals.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-07 14:12:37 UTC
Your problem is not a lack of dedication to isk/hour. many people do not play that way and i doubt that the main thrust of the respondents here are making that point.

Your proposed ship fitting is bad.

There really isnt a nice way of saying it.

The proteus can be configured to not have drones, and when it does they help not hurt its damage ability even with the drone changes, if you consider them ammo, or part of your tank (when they grab aggo its not directed at you) then you should lose some of your hangups about using drones.

I cant think of a good use for the Eris outside of its intended role and even then its eclipsed very easily by the sabre, or the flycatcher. anything you were doing in the eris that was not bubbling would have been much more efficiently done by something else. thats your time efficiency, not isk.

Perhaps you find it fun to spend an hour longer running a site then it is necessary. I dont know.

I do not even want to know what you did to the Phobos.

Back to your proteus fitting.
In hisec, you do not have to cloak for any reason other then wartargets. even then you can dock. i dont know waht good the cloak does for you.
The NPC scram/disrupts will effect you despite your nullifier as they use targeted and not area of effect warp scrambling. that subsystem is useless outside of running from nullsec/wh space bubbles. the same type of ones you were not using on your eris.
There is an interesting thing going on with your tanking namely you have a plate, a nanofiber, and a shield extender. with no repairer/booster of any kind. It makes me wonder what sort of mission running you consider "successful" but thats a different thread entirely.
the high slots mean you have never taken anyone's advice on how to fit guns, preferring to " fit for relaxing" rather then utility. This is of course your choice, and bless you for it.

Everything about this fit tells me that this is a troll. However, i help people. so here is the advice.
find one tanking solution you like, be it shield, speed or armor repping (i suggest the last one) and design the rest of your ship to that.
Fit one kind of gun, you mentioned that you have decent weaponry skills in hybrids. that is not represented in your fitting.
try to fit one type and model of gun. so you have only one optimal and tracking speed to worry about, then try to dictate range and keep your enemies inside that optimal.
with a full buffer fitting like the one you posted, you will very quickly lose your ship, even in hisec.
While you may feel that this is elitist and perhaps a tad bit condescending, rest assured that i am one of the nice forum people and it only gets worse from here.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Solotta Erquilenne
#15 - 2013-01-07 15:54:58 UTC
OP posted trollfit.
Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-01-07 17:44:13 UTC
Thanks Kusum. Its what the others already hinted at: Improve DPS and decide for one defense or the other.

And no, no troll, just ignorant. I can do a lot in EVE, but flying ships and shooting stuff is not my strength.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451
Rutuli
Rizoma records
#17 - 2013-01-24 08:22:43 UTC
medium target painter dronesQuestionShocked