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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#221 - 2012-12-30 10:27:10 UTC
00467988004 wrote:
Eve's graphics get better with each expansion. That being said, games on my phone/tablet are starting to look better than Eve.

The stations need an overhaul, the jump gates, asteroids. At the rate they are making changes it will be a few years. Personally they should get their asses off of Dust and put more people on Eve ( the game I'm paying multiple subscriptions on.)


I have no idea why CCP is doing it .
Maybe the same way games uses PhysX . Devs get paid using it by the giants.
CCP gets paid by PS3 for publishing it , kind of baseless and ******** statement ,but I seriously have no idea why is it on PS3.
At least make it on PC :P

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#222 - 2012-12-30 10:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
People here still seem to be ignoring the fact that they are trying to compare EVE to normal NONE MMO Game.

This is an MMO... and it is the best looking MMO on the market.

There is a reason why it cannot appear to look like nearly as good as the X-Universe games. It has been pointed out multiple times in thread but people seem to ignore it.

This is not a Think Tank... this a blatant.. I WANT thread.

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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#223 - 2012-12-30 10:53:42 UTC
Read through about half of this thread, and saw some mentions of Star Citizen.

Listen, I'm a huge Wing Commander series fan, but you cannot compare it to Eve. Star Citizen's graphics WILL look better than Eve, but that's because Star Citizen isn't an MMO. It's been revealed that all combat in Star Citizen is going to be instanced, with 24 to 36 ships TOTAL in any one instance.

Anyone here in favour of limiting Eve combat to 36 ships in any one system? Cause that's what it would take to allow the kind of graphics the OP is whining for.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#224 - 2012-12-30 11:04:17 UTC
Can't cure superficial people.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#225 - 2012-12-30 11:06:40 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Although you'll be reducing the load on the server running classic, the premium server on the otherhand......

And again i must wonder why people are allowed to voice opinions that keep displaying that they have
no clue of what the **** they are talking about.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2012-12-30 12:09:30 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
CCP gets paid by PS3 for publishing it , kind of baseless and ******** statement ,but I seriously have no idea why is it on PS3.
At least make it on PC :P




well, it's not on Xbox because microsoft didn't like the game running in Xbox connecting to EVE servers, together with the multi-platform thing, plus all the waiting period for patches and stuff. Sony is a bit more flexible on that.

as far as PC goes, they don't want to release it for pc yet, because of "cannibalization".


honestly I think they should keep the game PS3 for 6 months to see how it handles first.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#227 - 2012-12-30 12:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Solstice Project wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Although you'll be reducing the load on the server running classic, the premium server on the otherhand......

And again i must wonder why people are allowed to voice opinions that keep displaying that they have
no clue of what the **** they are talking about.


you simply can't run separate clients with different architecture for the same server under the same game :P

What you can do is add an option which allows toggling of graphical details and dx , but seems that option gets ignored by most of those who replies

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#228 - 2013-01-07 14:02:01 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
People here still seem to be ignoring the fact that they are trying to compare EVE to normal NONE MMO Game.

This is an MMO... and it is the best looking MMO on the market.

There is a reason why it cannot appear to look like nearly as good as the X-Universe games. It has been pointed out multiple times in thread but people seem to ignore it.

This is not a Think Tank... this a blatant.. I WANT thread.


IT is a good looking game , but it can be better .

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Goran Konjich
Krompany
#229 - 2013-01-07 14:09:19 UTC
I just want to fly my spaceship with left mouse pressed down and with left hand hitting buttons and shortcuts.

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2013-01-07 14:41:38 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Read through about half of this thread, and saw some mentions of Star Citizen.

Listen, I'm a huge Wing Commander series fan, but you cannot compare it to Eve. Star Citizen's graphics WILL look better than Eve, but that's because Star Citizen isn't an MMO. It's been revealed that all combat in Star Citizen is going to be instanced, with 24 to 36 ships TOTAL in any one instance.

Anyone here in favour of limiting Eve combat to 36 ships in any one system? Cause that's what it would take to allow the kind of graphics the OP is whining for.


I told someone this in the forums here about three weeks ago, about how the two can't be compared other than they are both space games. I basically got told I was wrong (with less kind words), and unfortunately the article I'd read on SC was in a magazine, not on the internet, so I couldn't link it to demonstrate what I was talking about, so I just bailed. Why don't people get this? Star Citizen is going to be nothing like EVE.

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#231 - 2013-01-07 14:44:53 UTC
Dust will be a major contribution to EvEs survival in the future. however WIS was EvEs path to tap into that social network bubble. failed hard because they never finnished, never commited enough recources to deliver it properly.

I would continue the rebalancing and pos changes. but you might have to finnish WIS. you're going to regret not finnishing WIS especialy when start citizen comes out.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#232 - 2013-01-07 15:15:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Read through about half of this thread, and saw some mentions of Star Citizen.

Listen, I'm a huge Wing Commander series fan, but you cannot compare it to Eve. Star Citizen's graphics WILL look better than Eve, but that's because Star Citizen isn't an MMO. It's been revealed that all combat in Star Citizen is going to be instanced, with 24 to 36 ships TOTAL in any one instance.

Anyone here in favour of limiting Eve combat to 36 ships in any one system? Cause that's what it would take to allow the kind of graphics the OP is whining for.


I told someone this in the forums here about three weeks ago, about how the two can't be compared other than they are both space games. I basically got told I was wrong (with less kind words), and unfortunately the article I'd read on SC was in a magazine, not on the internet, so I couldn't link it to demonstrate what I was talking about, so I just bailed. Why don't people get this? Star Citizen is going to be nothing like EVE.


no one is comparing Star Citizen to EvE.
WE are just using it as a comparison to what is graphically possible today and then we compare it back to the graphics of EvE to prove EvE still has a lot of work to do if it were to compete with other games on the market today.
As much as the gameplay element attracts players . For the new generation ,we'll need to keep the eye candies up if EvE were to survive another decade

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#233 - 2013-01-07 15:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
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and last from ccp itself... this is how i imagine jita 4-4 should look like

http://geeksstuff.net84.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/eve-online.jpg

you know, planets that look big and stars that look even bigger....



well the size of proportion is pretty bad in EVE to start with.
Then again , i think there is a reason.

If we make planets and size to proportion , there is one 2 ways to keep the texture quality.
Turn the dimension into the size of a small city.
Or keep us a long way from them.

But ,yes .
You do have a point.
I just hope the skybox won't be as ........ overly dramatic and cheesy as the ones you posted.


This is what the earth looks like from the Shuttle

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/blog/Image/Discovery_sts-114_Return_to_flight_safety_test.jpg

The ISS sits at about 100 to 200 miles above the system.

If you have ever gone 300km CLOSE to an EVE planet, it looks about the same size as the image above. Jita 4-4 sits a VERY cozy distance from a MOON that isn't that large at all in the first place. The artists image you have linked is called a DRAMATIZATION. When we dramatize an image certain features are enhanced to make it more starkly impressive than it really is.

EVE Proportions for Planets and Moons are pretty accurate. What you are missing is the concept of how SMALL things REALLY ARE in comparison to the universe. Could things be better positioned in EVE to have more dramatic effect? Such as stations, etc? Sure. The other thing is EVE stations are MASSIVE and would probably not look that great if they were really close to a planet to create the dramatic effect you are looking for in the artists rendering.

Please view this website to appreciate such things : http://primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_universe/

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#234 - 2013-01-07 16:07:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Nice reading Ivy, thx.

With Eve when I account the core game is old for 10 years, patched, re patched and I think I can safely say over patched, welp, I can't say it's ok but it's not bad overall neither.
"Graphics in Eve are beautiful" - well I can not agree with this, when I can't run Eve properly with a single account log with I5-750 OC/12GB DDR3-1600, when I have to set my graphics to minimum with a 460GTX 2GB OC I can safely say it really looks bad and awful experience when there's more than a couple ships on grid.

The game should be playable with Xp versions but offer the best of it in more powerful machines, actually it's the other way around, at least for many of us, this only makes the gaming experience disappointing when I have the feeling I'm trying to play Amiga games on my rig, and this single point sucks hard.

Graphic improvements are needed? -absolutely, make it playable with DX9 and top with DX11 not the other way around, this sucks, it's not moving forward fast enough.

Performance: I can open and perfectly work without lag/whatsoever while watching high res films, music, use accountability software +excell/mails and keep open/play very recent FPS games with settings on top.
But then I log in to Eve and can't play a single Eve account decently on top of meh graphics (without lag/freeze/crash). This sucks ! FIX IT NAO !!

Edit: how much do I care about a new toy/fake mod whatsoever if I can't play decently?

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Lord Leftfield
Doomheim
#235 - 2013-01-07 16:18:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Leftfield
Personally i think great gameplay thrumps graphics everytime. I'd rather ccp gave us lots and lots of gameplay and did'nt care to much about graphics. Personally I'd like to see more details and dynamic gameplay features put into pos, than it looks shiny, if you know what I mean. Just look at what happend to the gaming community when minecraft hit. Can't exactly say that minecraft is a graphic stunning game now can we..

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#236 - 2013-01-07 16:27:12 UTC
Lord Leftfield wrote:
Personally i think great gameplay thrumps graphics everytime. I'd rather ccp gave us lots and lots of gameplay and did'nt care to much about graphics. Personally I'd like to see more details and dynamic gameplay features put into pos, than it looks shiny, if you know what I mean. Just look at what happend to the gaming community when minecraft hit. Can't exactly say that minecraft is a graphic stunning game now can we..


Well , Minecraft is a TRUE sandbox where ALMOST EVERYTHING is player orientated.
Its a creation game ,but this is at its core a game of destruction and for pathlogical destroyers such as us.
Shiny stuff is always good.
Of course we need to enrich the gameplay , and indeed I did post a few ideas on GD ,but the ISD doesn't like gameplay so he moved it to the feature and ideas graveyard

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Lord Leftfield
Doomheim
#237 - 2013-01-07 16:30:28 UTC
thats because they are trolling you Ivy :P It's GD after all ..

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marVLs
#238 - 2013-01-07 16:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: marVLs
The most important things in Eve graphic update are for me:

- better scaling (move planets closer to stations and make them look awesome, better ship size feel - now they feel like toys...)
- better explosions, something like have been shown here
Slap Chop
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#239 - 2013-01-07 16:52:53 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I am running on a puny 250GTS with 1 GB ram and some 6 year old wares .
Its still running on high with everything maxed with 60 fps to spare.



Stop bullshitting.

I'm on an i7 box with a pair of GTX 570's, everything maxed just as you claim. After Retribution it began dropping below 60fps when zoomed in and engaging a target.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#240 - 2013-01-07 17:03:24 UTC
Slap Chop wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I am running on a puny 250GTS with 1 GB ram and some 6 year old wares .
Its still running on high with everything maxed with 60 fps to spare.



Stop bullshitting.

I'm on an i7 box with a pair of GTX 570's, everything maxed just as you claim. After Retribution it began dropping below 60fps when zoomed in and engaging a target.



ain't bullshiting , you just need to optimize your PC with Tune Up or some other utilities .

BTW, i recently upgrade to a i5 3570k and GTX660ti combo with 8 GB of ram .
I can now fly into Gas clouds Lol

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