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Ch'vonne Skjem-Apol
Hathor Federation
#1 - 2013-01-07 05:15:05 UTC
Greetings

I'm a n00b and decided to focus on one career path which is mining with some rattiing on the side (I thoroughly enjoy kiting enemy vessels).

I know that ORE makes a frigate designed specifcally for mining, but would an Exequror, Stabber, or Augoror work as an alternative? I don't want to be too specialized.

Do industrial vessels trump the first two options between the ORE and the cruiser?

I'd be starting out in high-sec with the goal of branching out into the "badlands" one my SP is up.

Basically, I'm looking for a decent low cost miner with the ability to kite when necessary.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-07 06:00:19 UTC
Ch'vonne Skjem-Apol wrote:
Greetings

I'm a n00b and decided to focus on one career path which is mining with some rattiing on the side (I thoroughly enjoy kiting enemy vessels).

I know that ORE makes a frigate designed specifcally for mining, but would an Exequror, Stabber, or Augoror work as an alternative? I don't want to be too specialized.

Do industrial vessels trump the first two options between the ORE and the cruiser?

I'd be starting out in high-sec with the goal of branching out into the "badlands" one my SP is up.

Basically, I'm looking for a decent low cost miner with the ability to kite when necessary.


Getting one ship for each job is usually better than one to do everything. The mining frig will pay for itself pretty fast anyway.
Whang'Lo
Cosmically Irrelevant
#3 - 2013-01-07 06:06:40 UTC
Yeah what your trying to do doesn't really work.

I would shoot for a retriever for mining, with some drone skills for defense.

The thing with mining is strip mining lasers are light years beyond normal mining
lasers and fairly easy to get into.

Mining is pretty boring stuff, you might wanna skill up and go for running missions.

BTW in the scheme of things mining income is fairly craptastic.

[u]A Paranoid is just someone with all the facts - William Burroughs[/u]
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-07 06:15:20 UTC
Currently the venture will outmine all three of the cruisers you mentioned with less sp input. why you would choose to do so it entirely up to you. Industrials are not very good miners though many people do use them. they have weak tanks and extremely slow mining rates compared to other alternatives.

Get a venture or mining barge as that will serve you far better then a cruiser and or industrial.
stick to hisec 1.0-0.9 security systems do not have belt npc's, 0.8-0.5 has weak npc's .

lowsec 0.4-0.1 has no concord protection and there is a fairly high chance you you being blown up by a player as well as stronger npcs.
nullsec has very strong npc's and is more likely then not, closed to you. but it is possible to mine in npc soverignty systems as you can dock at those stations. there is no npc (concord) protection there though and other players will shoot you.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ch'vonne Skjem-Apol
Hathor Federation
#5 - 2013-01-07 16:16:07 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
Yeah what your trying to do doesn't really work.

I would shoot for a retriever for mining, with some drone skills for defense.

The thing with mining is strip mining lasers are light years beyond normal mining
lasers and fairly easy to get into.

Mining is pretty boring stuff, you might wanna skill up and go for running missions.

BTW in the scheme of things mining income is fairly craptastic.



Thanks much for the advice guys...I fully understand that mining is boring, but I wanted to start off with something to get my feet wet before branching out into other career options (build SP and ISK). I figured it would be best to focus on one path rather than going scattershot all over the place.

I will probably end up getting a mining frig since they are relatively easier to jump into. Any recommendations on a decent kiting mission runner as my secondary ship (for now, looking to focus on lv 1 & 2 mission running when not mining. ) I'm digging the Breacher and Condor at this time. What would the Moa or Caracal be the next logical upgrade to kite?
Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-07 16:19:17 UTC
The only non-mining vessels that are worth considering for mining purposes these days are Battleships that can manage 7-8 miners. (And really only if you want to invest 0 training time into mining ships; you'll still need the actual mining skills.) All in all, they're just not really good enough anymore in comparison.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-01-07 16:22:37 UTC
Industrials are ok miners when you are afk. With tank they survive just fine in .6 and up. They mine slowly, but you are afk so it does not matter, you can check on it every 20-30 minutes or so.

If you are going to sit in front of your pc, then use venture and then retriever for high sec mining.

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Eat dessert first!
Kery Nysell
#8 - 2013-01-07 18:10:55 UTC
You can get a free Venture and the skill for it by doing the Industrial Career agent missions (and you'll get an Industrial ship at the end of the 10th mission to haul your ore in).

The Venture is really, really good at mining, and even with only mining the basic ores in high sec, you'll be able to pay for a Mining Barge in two weeks, tops, of casual mining.

For level 1 missions, any of the Combat Frigates is good, and once again you can get some for free by doing the Military and Advanced Military missions of the Career Agents (and those will also teach you the basics of missionning).

For level 2 missions, a Cruiser (again, Combat ones) is usually the best bet with lowish skills, or a Destroyer with higher skills ...

In fact, it mostly depends on your race, and your choice of playstyle ...


A "good" combination would be to go Gallente with Hybrid weapons and Drones, as you'll be able to re-use the Drone skills on the Venture and eventually a Mining Barge ... but be advised that the "new" NPC AI can be quite harsh on the drones now, you need to watch them closely and recall/relaunch them when they get the aggro.

A Tristan would be a good starter Frigate for that, the Vexor being the cruiser update ... BTW, the Vexor has a "mining drone yield bonus", and can fit 4 mining lasers ... BUT it won't outmine the Venture, and has a much, much smaller cargo hold.

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Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-07 19:48:07 UTC
Ch'vonne Skjem-Apol wrote:
I know that ORE makes a frigate designed specifcally for mining, but would an Exequror, Stabber, or Augoror work as an alternative? I don't want to be too specialized.

Do industrial vessels trump the first two options between the ORE and the cruiser?

Stick with the Venture, or get a Procurer. As mentioned above, the Venture is available now through the tutorial missions. You can do the tutorial missions for each bloodline, so if you did your starting racial/bloodline area, it is possible to do another. Completing the final mission in each 10-mission arc gives a decent bump up in standing with that faction.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tutorial_and_Career_Agents_in_Eve


The Venture has a large ore hold that will hold more than anything (other than an industrial, exhumer or mining barge).
http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/ore-frigate/

A Retriever or Procurer will be better at mining than any other cruiser you can acquire. It will pull in more ore/hour, and since many folks each made thousands of them before the mining barge buff, it is cheaper to buy one than to make one (and will be this way for another year or 2). Trying to use a cruiser for mining nowadays is like using a hammer to drive in screws. You can do it, but the correct tool for the job will work soooo much better.

Whatever you do, don't do this, nor this. Just. Don't.
Ch'vonne Skjem-Apol
Hathor Federation
#10 - 2013-01-07 21:23:18 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:


A Tristan would be a good starter Frigate for that, the Vexor being the cruiser update ... BTW, the Vexor has a "mining drone yield bonus", and can fit 4 mining lasers ... BUT it won't outmine the Venture, and has a much, much smaller cargo hold.


I love the Fat Man!


Huttan Funaila wrote:


A Retriever or Procurer will be better at mining than any other cruiser you can acquire. It will pull in more ore/hour, and since many folks each made thousands of them before the mining barge buff, it is cheaper to buy one than to make one (and will be this way for another year or 2). Trying to use a cruiser for mining nowadays is like using a hammer to drive in screws. You can do it, but the correct tool for the job will work soooo much better.

Whatever you do, don't do this, nor this. Just. Don't.


Ha! Hysterical...Thanks for advice...I now have a goal to shoot towards a Retriever....Thanks to all for the helpful tips.