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When will the GM team be producing their response to the Miner Bumping Discussion Thread?

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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#1 - 2013-01-07 14:37:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
CCP Falcon wrote:
This thread will run for one week, until 17:00 on Wednesday, December 5th, after which I will close it. I will then gather responses, opinions, questions and feedback from it, before forwarding it on to the Senior GMs for review, who will then provide a response.

Bear in mind that this is an issue we would like to consider from all angles, and is also being dealt with over the holiday season. As such, a response may take some time to be issued, and may end up arriving just after the New Year.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235632

It's been more than a month since that thread was locked, and we're a week into 2013. Isn't it time we got an update on this?
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#2 - 2013-01-07 14:43:55 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
This thread will run for one week, until 17:00 on Wednesday, December 5th, after which I will close it. I will then gather responses, opinions, questions and feedback from it, before forwarding it on to the Senior GMs for review, who will then provide a response.

Bear in mind that this is an issue we would like to consider from all angles, and is also being dealt with over the holiday season. As such, a response may take some time to be issued, and may end up arriving just after the New Year.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235632

It's been more than a month since that thread was locked, and we're a week into 2013. Isn't it time we got an update on this?



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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-07 14:44:34 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:


Bear in mind that this is an issue we would like to consider from all angles, and is also being dealt with over the holiday season. As such, a response may take some time to be issued, and may end up arriving just after the New Year.


It's been less than a month since the new year. Have some patience maybe?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#4 - 2013-01-07 14:45:48 UTC
Also, IBTL. You don't talk about miner bumping on these forums.
(hits bong)
Yeah, it violates some kind of rule or something. The one that says you don't talk about miner bumping.


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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#5 - 2013-01-07 14:46:19 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:


Bear in mind that this is an issue we would like to consider from all angles, and is also being dealt with over the holiday season. As such, a response may take some time to be issued, and may end up arriving just after the New Year.


It's been less than a month since the new year. Have some patience maybe?

Only 12 months in a year. I can't think of a reason that the GM team should have to take a sixth of a year to decide whether or not you're allowed to bump into mining ships.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-07 14:50:04 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:


Bear in mind that this is an issue we would like to consider from all angles, and is also being dealt with over the holiday season. As such, a response may take some time to be issued, and may end up arriving just after the New Year.


It's been less than a month since the new year. Have some patience maybe?

Only 12 months in a year. I can't think of a reason that the GM team should have to take a sixth of a year to decide whether or not you're allowed to bump into mining ships.


Wait, what? It was clearly stated that "a response may take some time to be issued, and may (keyword there, may) end up arriving just after the New Year." This is not an exact date, no promises were made, so keep your shirt on and have some patience. You're like a dog with ADD that won't let his master at least get his shoes off before jumping all over him and humping his leg.

It hasn't taken a sixth of a year, but if that's how long it takes, then that's how long it takes. Deal with it. Okay? Cool.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-07 14:53:03 UTC
This is their attempt to further publicize their organization. Do not reply to the thread, and it will die. Belligerent undesirables have no place in demanding anything from anyone. Learn your place, filth. Smile
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-07 14:54:58 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
This is their attempt to further publicize their organization. Do not reply to the thread, and it will die. Belligerent undesirables have no place in demanding anything from anyone. Learn your place, filth. Smile


I don't think anyone has a place making demands, I tend to find making demands is what makes people belligerent undesirables in the first place.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#9 - 2013-01-07 14:57:02 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
This is their attempt to further publicize their organization. Do not reply to the thread, and it will die. Belligerent undesirables have no place in demanding anything from anyone. Learn your place, filth. Smile

I don't think anyone has a place making demands, I tend to find making demands is what makes people belligerent undesirables in the first place.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I was demanding a response from CCP. More like politely requesting an update in the slightly belligerently undesirable fashion that is the norm in this forum when discussing CCP's failings.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-01-07 15:00:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
This is their attempt to further publicize their organization. Do not reply to the thread, and it will die. Belligerent undesirables have no place in demanding anything from anyone. Learn your place, filth. Smile

I don't think anyone has a place making demands, I tend to find making demands is what makes people belligerent undesirables in the first place.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I was demanding a response from CCP. More like politely requesting an update in the slightly belligerently undesirable fashion that is the norm in this forum when discussing CCP's failings.


I didn't accuse you of making demands, just correcting a very presumptuous comment, but you certainly weren't as polite as you could have been. "Isn't it time to get an update?" v. "Is it possible to get an update?" - mostly, your wording could have been better if you were aiming for polite.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#11 - 2013-01-07 15:04:59 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
you certainly weren't as polite as you could have been. "Isn't it time to get an update?" v. "Is it possible to get an update?" - mostly, your wording could have been better if you were aiming for polite.

Well, it's obviously pretty subjective, but wouldn't you say that 'When will there be an update?' is almost completely neutral in terms of politeness, and therefore above average for this forum?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-07 15:09:50 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
you certainly weren't as polite as you could have been. "Isn't it time to get an update?" v. "Is it possible to get an update?" - mostly, your wording could have been better if you were aiming for polite.

Well, it's obviously pretty subjective, but wouldn't you say that 'When will there be an update?' is almost completely neutral in terms of politeness, and therefore above average for this forum?


Perhaps. I'm pretty pedantic about language, and I've studied semiotics, so sentence structure and word use are something I, from time to time, read a little too deeply into. I didn't think you were trying to be impolite, but to me, it came across as very impatient. I can't say you rose above the average of these forums at all. In fact, I can't say I'm surprised at all to see a thread like this going up.

There are definitely acceptable standards of what can be considered "polite" in any given culture. If we left it entirely up to what individuals thought was polite, I think you'd find that plenty of people would just use "it's all subjective" to excuse being as impolite as possible. If you were aiming for polite, you did miss the mark, but only by a fraction really.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-01-07 15:10:14 UTC
there's a 'forum' petition category that probably has a pretty short queue
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#14 - 2013-01-07 15:10:16 UTC
There's a miner bumping issue?
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#15 - 2013-01-07 15:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Remiel Pollard wrote:
If you were aiming for polite, you did miss the mark, but only by a fraction really.

Awww, thanks Smile

Estella Osoka wrote:
There's a miner bumping issue?

Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235632
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-01-07 15:17:41 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
There's a miner bumping issue?


The real issue is the shortage of Kleenex for pubbies.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2013-01-07 15:22:21 UTC
Its fine, Its been fire for the last 10 years, it doesn't break the rules, it has never broke the rules, stop whining about every little setback you suffer and look after yourselves.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-07 15:47:11 UTC
Honestly, it'd be prudent to simply let it die if they decided that miner bumping isn't the problem that it's made out to be on the forums. If they announced "we decided that miner bumping isn't a problem" you'd have a ton of whining, ~New Order~ victory posts and other noise that is just unnecessary.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#19 - 2013-01-07 15:54:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
Honestly, it'd be prudent to simply let it die if they decided that miner bumping isn't the problem that it's made out to be on the forums. If they announced "we decided that miner bumping isn't a problem" you'd have a ton of whining, ~New Order~ victory posts and other noise that is just unnecessary.

I'd hate to see CCP promise an official decision and then back up on that promise, though.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-01-07 15:54:40 UTC
I expect that participating in emergent gameplay through bumping will be declared an exploit. Couldn't have someone effecting someone else's game now, could we?

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