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lolfesterbling
Doomheim
#61 - 2013-01-05 16:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: lolfesterbling
Verity Sovereign wrote:


From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.



For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting

As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#62 - 2013-01-05 16:52:59 UTC
lolfesterbling wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:


From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.



For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting

As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships




LOL...can we have a shopped screenie of your wallet to prove this. Shocked

What happened, you get tired of spamming scams in Jita?

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Orwyyn Darsha
The Lone Wolf of EVE
#63 - 2013-01-05 17:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Orwyyn Darsha
Not sure why some of you are wasting your breath on extremely obvious trolls. Just state your problem, have a few people speak up and say the same thing, CCP will fix your problem.

CCP will fix this, there is no doubt.
lolfesterbling
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-01-05 20:42:26 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
lolfesterbling wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:


From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.



For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting

As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships




LOL...can we have a shopped screenie of your wallet to prove this. Shocked

What happened, you get tired of spamming scams in Jita?



And further on that point By holding the site open longer i was able to let a site with a battleship wreck despawn when it was to my advangtage and got 3 x rf gyros gista a-type thermic pith a-type em and a shadow serp 100mn microwarp. Along with the ammo.

Best so far was 2 months ago when 15 ships went boom got a officer web on that one
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#65 - 2013-01-05 22:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
lolfesterbling wrote:
i have made 20 mil


As expected - activity doesn't worth time spent (one can earn more during few minutes in HQ fleet) and GM made obvious mistake thinking it's profitable thus isn't pure griefing.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#66 - 2013-01-05 23:08:10 UTC
Well Festerbling you have certaintly got them incursion runners on the run. :D All of EVE is happy for you as you have obviously won EVE-Online you can now go and torment some other MMO, hope to see letters from you telling all of us how you have beaten those games as well.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-01-06 01:27:42 UTC
lolfesterbling wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
lolfesterbling wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:


From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.



For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting

As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships




LOL...can we have a shopped screenie of your wallet to prove this. Shocked

What happened, you get tired of spamming scams in Jita?



And further on that point By holding the site open longer i was able to let a site with a battleship wreck despawn when it was to my advangtage and got 3 x rf gyros gista a-type thermic pith a-type em and a shadow serp 100mn microwarp. Along with the ammo.

Best so far was 2 months ago when 15 ships went boom got a officer web on that one


Pre-loading sites... meh, not a big deal

Ninja-looting - props to you, I respect this and have no objections.
One can make 3 billion in one site looting momship kills if one is lucky and a shadow bomber BPC drops, or more commonly a nightmare BPC and some snasha faction mods.
Pre-loading to try and get some ships killed so you can loot their stuff is fine by me.



Its this shutting down all incursion sites in a system that is complete BS.... and you've made all of 20 million?
You're clearly not doing it for the profit, but to cause grief.

And it is BS, because there is no viable defense against it, unlike preloaded sites, or ninja looting (ie, don't get your ship blown up, and have people right on the momship before it dies, control when it dies by getting it to a tiny sliver of health, and then doing a fleet alpha strike, if that fails, try t shoot the looter when he turns flashy)

It entails no risk
It entails no investment of in-game resources (surely, you did invest some of your time)
It has no counter

Kudos to you for finding a new way to grief, but CCP should clearly fix this broken mechanic, this is clearly an exploit, and if CCP hands out some punishment to you, well, I wouldn't complain.
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
#68 - 2013-01-06 03:28:07 UTC
lolfesterbling wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:


From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.



For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting

As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships


So what you're saying is that you make allot more having incursions running working as intended than keeping them open. Meaning you are keeping them open for 2 reasons:

A) You do it for grief
and/or
B) You're a pore busyness man.

Still no real response from CCP....
Yimodo
Emphebion Emperium
#69 - 2013-01-06 07:02:51 UTC
Now I know, this guy reminds me of James 315 that is bumbing miners out of belt and lets them pay to mine in "his" systems. This guy is doing about the same.

But he got payed 20 mil untill now that means, 2 people payed him to get a site open. That isnt alot. I'm pretty happy with that, because as long as he gets paid he will stay because he can make more ISK.

ISN - Incursion Shiny Network      Public channel: ISN Secondary
ORCACommander
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
#70 - 2013-01-06 19:26:18 UTC
Get this clasified as an Exploit and have it fixed CCP. This affects your bottom line as it is reducing demand for plexes.
Solomunio Kzenig
Incursions Missions and Mining
#71 - 2013-01-06 19:36:09 UTC
Batelle wrote:
sure, you can suicide his ship, and it only takes a day to train an alt to do so, but he could just as easily be holding those sites open in brick-tanked prophecies. With this strategy a handful of people could eliminate hisec incursions indefinitely.

Anyone saying this can be realistically countered has taken HTFU a bit too literally, with plenty of incursion-runner-disdain thrown in.


This pretty much.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2013-01-06 20:00:19 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Vengeance Thirst wrote:
Hi

We recently has a guy black mailing us for isk by using 4 alts to keep incursion sites open in high sec stopin other sites to respawn.

I wouls like to know how is this not a exploit.

(Faild copy paste)

I would like to know how it its not a exploit, seen the GM telling me as response to my petition that it its ok for him to do so.

I thought the use of game mechanics in any other way that what they are intended to is illegal. And yes he did private convo us and told us in local that we need to pay him or he will stay there blocking the respawns.

Thank you.


Amongst 10 bears you don't have 3 with destroyer flying alts that can gank his alts Roll



you try it.. he holds the site with more than one rookie ship and new character... kill one and the other is still there.. while you chase him down - his killed rookie flies back in with his concord funded rookie ship. If it was one character no problem. the guys have many accounts.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-01-06 20:04:33 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
why WOULD it be an exploit?


duh... because it's uinintended abuse...

AHARM? really? is that you? Of all the people who are qualified to judge an exploit it's hilarious to think you would believe you are one.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#74 - 2013-01-06 21:53:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Checked TVP channel: no HQ fleet(s) during weekend due to this guy (just slowly running assault fleet because community doesn't like assaults). And it's not the first weekend like that afaik. Which means hundreds of pilots are out of business. Clearly CCP cannot realize what is good and bad for the game and players + also they cannot realize what is good and bad for their own wallet: most likely some people will unsubscribe if trend continue. Somehow clueless CCP stufff isn't news (monoclegeddon) but anyway could be nice if CCP actually started to do their job to maintain the game's functionality in playable state and removed this 20mill worth "businessman" from the game along with his trial accounts.

Otherwise could be logical to return FW trillions to Goons who clearly acted withing game mechanics without breaking any rules - except common sense - just like in this case. Because if you want to ruin the game - I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be ruined for everyone instead of just couple communities.
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
#75 - 2013-01-07 11:10:34 UTC
Stil no response from ccp....

Not even a ******** reply here like "we are looking into this matter" or "the logs don't show anything"....

The petition is open for a week + now and no real reply to it as why it is this considered fair play or what would be a valid tactic to approach this matter....

If this continues like this for another 15 days i'm gonna close 2 out of 3 accounts maybe all 3.

Not because i cant get the isk for the plexes in other ways but because CCP supports unfair game play and they'r GM's are not doing their jobs. Simple as that.

I'm starting to get the emo in me heating up....
Mexan Caderu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2013-01-07 11:33:23 UTC
If keeping HS sites open is a valid tactic, then recycling ganking alts when their sec status becomes too low should also be a valid tactic to counter it.
Yimodo
Emphebion Emperium
#77 - 2013-01-07 11:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Responce from the GM about my petition:

Edit: Snipped. It's against the rules to post GM correspondance directly, although you may paraphrase it.
ISD Suvetar.

ISN - Incursion Shiny Network      Public channel: ISN Secondary
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
#78 - 2013-01-07 11:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Yimodo wrote:
Responce from the GM about my petition:

Edit: Snipped. It's against the rules to post GM correspondance directly, although you may paraphrase it.
ISD Suvetar.



That is a automatic response.

Just Ask them to escalate the petition to higher gm level.
lolfesterbling
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-01-07 15:18:41 UTC
*sings* The hills are alive with the sound of butthurt.
Sir John Halsey
#80 - 2013-01-07 15:22:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir John Halsey
Mathrin wrote:
What part of gank them are you having problems with. 2 kestrels could do the job I'm sure. Pod them out. Site despawns go to next site and repeat


Out of curiosity ... repeated killing of a noob char in a noob ship is not considered harassing?
That guy can petition and get you banned for that ... isn't it?