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Biological Mechanics and Pods Question

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Analog Chaos
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-06 11:31:18 UTC
I was surprised I didn't get any hits on this but since I remain perplexed - I am forced to turn to the forums in order to satiate my abiding desire for an answer.

I don't think I need to reiterate all the contents of "The Capsule And The Clone" and "The Jovian Wetgrave" as I'm sure everyone here is familiar with it so I will just simply ask my query. Given that capsuleers are inherently confined and excluded any physical access to ship facilities - What happens if you need to take a ****?

And possibly more importantly, what happens if you do? Does it just.. sort of, float around with you like a giant Port-A-Poddy? Did the Jovians consider this? Do the Jovians even drop deuces?



I could buy that, being in stasis, certain biological functions are suspended or at least slowed down but in order for the brain to function it requires fuel, assumingly supplied by the pod liquid, which would require a medium such as blood and the heart to circulate it - and possibly other organs but IANAQP. However, given these requirements, you would think they suggest a minimum amount of waste is produced.
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-06 11:37:47 UTC
Presumably there is some.. attachment.. to strap into that handles that.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-06 15:45:44 UTC
Analog Chaos wrote:

And possibly more importantly, what happens if you do? Does it just.. sort of, float around with you


I would imagine that would be pretty unsanitary. So I'd imagine if you were advanced enough to construct a neural interface with a ship and be able to do a neural scan microseconds before your body is exposed to the vacuum of space. That you would have the technology and probably enough foresight even if by trial and error to have nanites or a combination of that and or micro equipment installed in the back end of your digestive system to convert waste product into something your body can use in conjunction with the pods nutrient system.

AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#4 - 2013-01-06 16:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: AstraPardus
I think this is something that is left to the imagination, just as any solutions I was wondering about muscle atrophy...you can't very well install an electro-stim system, unless it's subdermal....and even then, potential interference or conductivity issues would arise in regard to implants. Are they insulated? If so, how? Many tech issues are open to the curious mind...

So...either the metabolism is controlled by drugs/nanites in the hydrostatic fluid or you poo in a tube...OR! Much like when taking a long drive, make sure you go before you take the plunge. :P
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AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#5 - 2013-01-06 17:19:04 UTC
Maire Gheren wrote:
Presumably there is some.. attachment.. to strap into that handles that.


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Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-06 23:06:10 UTC
I'd honestly just assume that you have a scoop you sit in and that you can receive muscle stimulation through your implants.
Analog Chaos
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-07 03:55:53 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Analog Chaos wrote:

And possibly more importantly, what happens if you do? Does it just.. sort of, float around with you


I would imagine that would be pretty unsanitary. So I'd imagine if you were advanced enough to construct a neural interface with a ship and be able to do a neural scan microseconds before your body is exposed to the vacuum of space. That you would have the technology and probably enough foresight even if by trial and error to have nanites or a combination of that and or micro equipment installed in the back end of your digestive system to convert waste product into something your body can use in conjunction with the pods nutrient system.



I think this may be the most logical or at least consistent with my level of understanding. While a solution does present itself in having a bag or apparatus; it would create a large disparity between the technology level of the rest of the pod equipment.

However, rather than any modification or equipment in the human body I would find it more acceptable that the pod alone has nanites that keep an eye on and attack foreign matter in the pod liquid, analogous to white blood cells - or the pod liquid itself maybe capable of breaking down waste chemically.

On a side note, I may have been initially wrong in assuming you cannot exit the pod while in a ship. One of my coworkers said he may have read in one of the first two EVE novels that the Amarr empress toured her ship after exiting a pod and was able to walk around. He also said he wasn't very certain though - Can anyone confirm this?
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2013-01-07 11:12:27 UTC
There are specially modified pod gantries that will allow you to exit your pod while still in a ship. Of course, doing this immediately eliminates all the benefits of being a capsuleer, so most don't take the risks.

As for biological functions on extended trips inside the pod, well, you can probably assume there are special components to deal with those needs. Exactly what this means can be decided to your heart's content; it's unlikely we'll ever release any fiction dealing with your pod's poop tubes.

On the topic of atrophying muscles, this is a legitimate problem for capsuleers who do not leave their pods for extended periods. CONCORD recommends daily exercise for pilots who spend more than 8 hours a day suspended in their pods.

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Lukas Flamesword
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-07 11:40:22 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
There are specially modified pod gantries that will allow you to exit your pod while still in a ship. Of course, doing this immediately eliminates all the benefits of being a capsuleer, so most don't take the risks.

As for biological functions on extended trips inside the pod, well, you can probably assume there are special components to deal with those needs. Exactly what this means can be decided to your heart's content; it's unlikely we'll ever release any fiction dealing with your pod's poop tubes.

On the topic of atrophying muscles, this is a legitimate problem for capsuleers who do not leave their pods for extended periods. CONCORD recommends daily exercise for pilots who spend more than 8 hours a day suspended in their pods.

what about titan/super carrier (i saw that those where removed from the market BTW) pilots. they spend days/weeks/months/years in the pod. what will hapen to them?
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2013-01-07 12:45:41 UTC
When they're logged off you can probably safely assume supercap pilots are getting out of their pods and walking around their ships.

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Lukas Flamesword
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-07 14:10:15 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
When they're logged off you can probably safely assume supercap pilots are getting out of their pods and walking around their ships.

that kinda confirms my theory. ships warps to deadspace. turns all combat systems of and go into hibernation mode where the generator and life-support is the only thing online. CONCORD modify your camera drone so that you cant see the ship from your own capsule. like how they modify them so you cant see escape pods
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#12 - 2013-01-08 01:44:11 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
When they're logged off you can probably safely assume supercap pilots are getting out of their pods and walking around their ships.



So, like CQ, but nude and more room to walk around. Probably playing air guitar as there is no one around to see.
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-01-08 05:46:25 UTC
Probably an exercise room/bedroom above the gantry. Or, as noted, for shorter trips just have the implants keep the muscles active.
Anything that can redirect neural impulses to control hardware can also easily be set up to send impulses to control the body, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to have a computer playing a routine of isometric exercise to the muscles of the capsuleer while they are otherwise occupied.
To a certain extent, they might be getting more ripped and fit when they get out of the pod than they were when they got in. Still need to do stretching and move around and get some impact exercise to keep the bone density up.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-01-08 11:46:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
I never used the CQ until I started living in a wh, after that I always feel the encesity to stretch my legs every time I dock at a station. Good to know Roll
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#15 - 2013-01-08 23:06:51 UTC
I've always assumed, given the high state of technology, that the pod acts in this respect like a stillsuit..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Issaku Tanaka
Galaxy Eaters
#16 - 2013-01-08 23:51:41 UTC
One can assume that an egger doesn't eat normal foodstuffs while in the pod; I'm fairly certain they would have developed nutrient pastes and artificial supplements that would be completely processed by the body, leaving little to no waste to excrete.

In case you actually do need to heed the call of nature, I would say the capsule would drain of any fluids as if they were about to exit the pod, out from underneath (hopefully) pops a seat and you'd deal with business from there, assuming your ship is big enough that gravity won't be an issue.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-01-09 00:12:51 UTC
Knowing the state of the cosmetics industry, It wouldn't suprize me if some of the... ummm... 'fluids' could be sold off into some expensive perfumes or 'age defying' creams. Particularly popular in the Federation I hear..

But I always assumed the tubes that connect up to me in the pod took over all my bodies functions or at least supplemented them.
San Fransisco
Silver Falcon Survey
#18 - 2013-01-10 18:28:21 UTC
How long does it take to get into and out of your pod?
Anslo
Scope Works
#19 - 2013-01-10 19:29:02 UTC
There's some far out theories that say it's possible to repress biological urges through brain modification and manipulation, which can also be combined with further electronic manipulation of nerves to stimulate uh...organs, to make them do what you want them to do. This could also include erm.."holding it in."

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Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-01-10 20:49:49 UTC
Analog Chaos wrote:
While a solution does present itself in having a bag or apparatus; it would create a large disparity between the technology level of the rest of the pod equipment.
And yet, we still use wheels in spite of how ancient a technology it is.

I demand my hovercars! Wheels are so archaic, we should have gotten rid of them back before Rome!