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How EVE Became Obsolete (And why CCP hasn’t noticed)

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Gothikia
#201 - 2013-01-07 07:51:38 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
ARM was so MASSIVELY successful that Mac switched over to x86 architecture.


The mac switch was done in 2005, planned in 2003 and the current generation of ARM chips that are capable of impressive graphics didn't *really* come on the scene until 2009. So shut the **** up.

Mac's used to be on PowerPC

<3 Gothie

Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#202 - 2013-01-07 07:57:34 UTC
Oh look, it's the "PC is dead!" thread from 1990!
Lledrith
Ex Caminus
#203 - 2013-01-07 08:02:34 UTC
If you can point me at what tablet can handle accounting/Auditing applications, photograph as well video editing in high definition. and being able to access information in both cellphone, laptop and desktop all at the same time in the past year tell me so i can buy it for me and my wife; cause i may have miss it.

just because the current trend is informing of the current grow of tablet use it doesn't mean that a laptop or desktop is going to disappear in the next decade or more. Social media and this fanboyism has only bring this for tablet technology.
Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
#204 - 2013-01-07 08:09:15 UTC
Um...X86/64 based systems are not going away anytime soon. Quite the opposite actually. If you think that 5 years from now you won't be able to load up EVE on your tablet and play you're sadly mistaken.

Take for instance these little jewels. While not quite powerful enough to play EVE it won't be long before they are.

The full version of Windows 8 will be running on Microsofts next tablet due out this spring. Not just the lousy touch interface portion but the full version. That means anything that can run on your PC will likely run on a tablet as long as it's got the juice to do so. This means more and easier connectivity with your PC and home network. Which will lead to increased adoption of the technology, because who doesn't want to fire up their PC remotely and play a game from time to time. Hell I can play EVE from my iPad using a third party app that streams the video and inputs over my home network. It's not easy and takes a bit of getting used to but it can be done.

So tell me again how the PC is dying and ARM processors will take over the world. It's just a matter of scaleabilty and time before the X86/64 based systems are back on top.

So no the PC will not die anytime soon. Sorry about bursting your bubble.Sad
pussnheels
Viziam
#205 - 2013-01-07 08:15:27 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.

I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet.


so basicly you want EvE to become a console only arcade game and we all need to go out and buy the latest xbox and playstation

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Reiisha
#206 - 2013-01-07 08:16:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Reiisha
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
By comparison, EVE reached 450k subs, when average player has 2-3 alt accounts, and some as high as 6-8.


It's been stated some time ago that 'only' 20% of active EVE accounts are alt accounts. While i don't know how true this statement is today, i'd wager EVE has at least 300-350k unique subscribers which is still a remarkable achievement in today's market.

People vastly overestimate the amount of subscribers with multiple accounts.

Daisai wrote:
Eve online has never really been a great succes in regards of subscriptions.
The only reason why the game is still alive is because of the lack of competition, because name 1 mmo like eve online where there are hardly any rules andis a sandbox that has both an option for free to play and subscription based etc.

If eve online will lose the few subscriptions it has it will not because some people who know nothing about gaming claim pc gaming is dead.

Right now there are 2 games that i can think of which probably might be in the same genre as eve online.
Star citizen and elite : dangerous, can be games that might end eve online its slow increase in subscriptions.



Neither Star Citizen nor E:D are MMO's.

One is limited to 100 players per server, with very few actual sandbox elements (the market is almost entirely NPC seeded for example). The fact that it allows mods aswell along with custom server rules will ensure for a heavily fractured community.

The other is limited to 32 player multiplayer basically - You play in your own instance of the universe, where you can share it with other players either at random or selectively, up to a maximum of 32. It will also have an almost exclusively NPC seeded market.

EVE's biggest strength does not lie in it's sandbox or open pvp alone, but the fact that everyone shares the same universe (putting China aside, though i have hope the servers could be merged some time in the future). There is only one instance of every location in the game. If you and anyone else go to place X, you will see each other. Neither SC nor ED have this 'feature' and i'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of EVE players will cite this as the most important reason for playing this game.

Currently there's no other game even being conceived that has the same raw ambitions as EVE, or the single server setup. In that way, it doesn't have competition, but when it does finally happen EVE will have at least 20 years of development behind it.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#207 - 2013-01-07 08:19:41 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
By comparison, EVE reached 450k subs, when average player has 2-3 alt accounts, and some as high as 6-8.


It's been stated some time ago that 'only' 20% of active EVE accounts are alt accounts. While i don't know how true this statement is today, i'd wager EVE has at least 300-350k unique subscribers which is still a remarkable achievement in today's market.

People vastly overestimate the amount of subscribers with multiple accounts.


I think they're all here Big smile

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#208 - 2013-01-07 08:30:51 UTC
Gothikia wrote:

I agree with the OP that pulling linux support was one of the most stupid decisions CCP have made and will eventually come round to bite them in the arse.


No sorry, and I say that as someone who plays EVE on Linux myself (Win 98 was my last Windows, long time ago). But the 0.1% (or something) of people that actually played the game on Linux with the official client did not justify the effort CCP put into it.

Also that client was just crap. I installed it tried to play and switched to wine + Windows client after a week.

The only reasonable way to get support for Linux back is to support wine as a Platform because that would mean one client and Linux + Mac support over wine. The Mac port is some sort of ancient wine bundle anyway. This would actually reduce CCPs effort in terms of different clients. Not so much in terms of support, so there has to be a market otherwise it makes no sense.

But first it would be a good idea to lean back and let Valve sort out the driver mess. They could even deliver it on steam even if it runs on wine, from what i hear others do this as well.

And even if they don't support it. It works anyway.

And to OPs "omg the PC is dying!!":

AGAIN?

Everytime this stuff gets postet in the EVE O forums it reminds me off this
Le Badass
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#209 - 2013-01-07 09:57:58 UTC
Whether OP is right or not, the amount of people in deep denial and the resistance to change on these forums is staggering.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#210 - 2013-01-07 09:59:53 UTC
Le Badass wrote:
Whether OP is right or not, the amount of people in deep denial and the resistance to change on these forums is staggering.


When you have been PC gaming for 2 decades you will also start getting tired of hearing the "PC is dead" mantra every two months.
Garia666
CyberShield Inc
HYDRA RELOADED
#211 - 2013-01-07 10:08:36 UTC
PC gaming will never be death, As nothing comes close towards PC gameing.
However an expansion to tablets could generate more revenue.
Problem is you can`t experience the full EVE on an tablet. ( yet )

Mabe the new pro verzion of the Windows Surface tablet will change that.
Le Badass
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#212 - 2013-01-07 10:09:28 UTC
Everybody have been PC gaming for 2 decades, mate.
Doesn't change that people on Eve-O are extremely conservative and lack vision.

Doddy
Excidium.
#213 - 2013-01-07 10:49:53 UTC
OP is a tech nerd and thinks everyone else on the planet is. Eves' player base will not be constrained by a lack of pc users within its lifetime, that much is evident. Tablets etc will probably be functionally identical to pcs in 5 years anyway and it won't make any difference. Puting resources into current tablets/phones with the limited future they have as distinct entities would be a massive gamble tbh.
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#214 - 2013-01-07 10:57:02 UTC
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.

I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet.


You spent 4k on a custom built computer.......

Lol fail.
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#215 - 2013-01-07 11:09:39 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
Oh look, it's the "PC is dead!" thread from 1990!


Yet I am missing the "Internet is just a hype" from 1994 here Blink

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Roime
Shiva Furnace
#216 - 2013-01-07 11:35:28 UTC
Bigger is better

I've got 24"

My wife prefers 50"

Ask her what she thinks about your 4"

.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#217 - 2013-01-07 11:47:25 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
When you have been PC gaming for 2 decades you will also start getting tired of hearing the "PC is dead" mantra every two months.
Two decades? Bloody newbies. P

That said, yes, the first time I can distinctly recall people saying that PC gaming was dead was by some Amiga people roughly two decades ago, just before the Amiga died.
Kern Hotha
#218 - 2013-01-07 11:58:29 UTC
I'll switch to a new gaming platform when one better than my personal computer is available. That platform is not a console, and it's definitely not some ****** tablet that I can poke at with my finger like a goddamn ape.

We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.

Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955)

Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#219 - 2013-01-07 12:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Gore
Tippia wrote:
Thomas Gore wrote:
When you have been PC gaming for 2 decades you will also start getting tired of hearing the "PC is dead" mantra every two months.
Two decades? Bloody newbies. P

That said, yes, the first time I can distinctly recall people saying that PC gaming was dead was by some Amiga people roughly two decades ago, just before the Amiga died.


Can you mention all the great PC titles you were playing before 1992? Yeah Street Rod 2 and LHX Attack Chopper were alright, but I think Windows 95 and DirectX is where PC gaming really started off. I did my fair share of freeing enough base memory to run Falcon 4.0, but would rather not go back there :)

EDIT: Ok I seem to be remembering wrong. Hell, Ultima V was out in 1988.

Oh how the time flies.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#220 - 2013-01-07 12:55:07 UTC
Le Badass wrote:
Everybody have been PC gaming for 2 decades, mate.
Doesn't change that people on Eve-O are extremely conservative and lack vision.



Show us a tablet that can run EVE.