EVE General Discussion

This memorial system with the ring of fire is a fantastic idea. I don't think having a list of names set up and maintained by CCP would work that well though.

Perhaps instead players could take the initiative and set up secure containers in the system? Either at the sun (or the actual ring of fire memorial if it can be warped to) for public memorial containers or at a safe for personal memorial containers that they could visit. The system security status would need to be low enough to allow for anchoring though.

Maybe then for the memorial solar system advertising cans would be disallowed, and those could be reported and taken down by CCP?

I still wasn't sure about that post when I submitted it, I'd re-written it a couple of times.
Basically I consider "in the line of duty" to be bollocks. The last reasonable armed conflict in my view was WW2. Since then war has been more about diplomacy by other means (and protecting/extending the national interest/neo-colonialisim) than about genuine threat to human/social existence (some more so, some less).

Killed doing his job is much more accurate. A job he chose to do. A job he was most likely aware that there were risks involved. We don't get overly upset about civilian casualties, people who don't get to choose what is happening to them but we should care about those who do choose?
For that matter if "in the line of duty" is justification why not include those of the other side/s? Are they not doing their duty as they see fit?

I don't think commemorating losses is healthy, you don't do it in Eve why do it in real life? In eve you try to learn from your loss and move on.

By geo-political I was referring to the fact that 1) only certain parties are likely to represented and 2) some cultures have moved beyond venerating their armed forces.

However, all I am expressing here is my thoughts on the subject as I see it. This probably isn't the place for where this discussion is likely to head from here.

Cause VR was the first Eve player to be killed.
Or did he just happen to be a prominent one?
This only encourages martyrs.
This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events.
Not supported.
Please do not go geo-political in Eve CCP.

Originally posted on Eveoganda:

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The Eve community has responded amazingly well to this week's horrible tragedy. I have honestly never been prouder of my own association with Eve Online, CCP and my fellow pilots. What happened in Libya is nothing short of horrible and tragic and pointless violence. But, whatever the real world implications may be, we all have a virtual universe to live in.

So, what now?

There have already been calls to memorialize VR in-game and I wholeheartedly support those calls. The ideas have varied from a perma-cyno in Jita to a Titan wreck in a meaningful zero space system. Again, these are all good ideas. And I would support them. But, I wonder.

With a global player-base and around half-a-million players, the tragedy of this week seems almost inevitable. Something like this had to happen eventually. And as Eve continues to get longer in the tooth, such a tragedy is invariably going to happen again. And again. And again. This is in no way intended to take away from what happened this week, but it will happen again. For those of you young enough not to notice, we are all going to die someday.

What I'm driving at here is nothing short of a permanent massive memorial to the fallen in-game. Something that fits within the context of Eve, the universe, lore, and conventional mechanics. If Capsuleers are the Gods of New Eden, then I think they deserve a God-like Memorial of significance. We humans, and I suspect Capsuleers as well, have historically erected large scale memorial systems to honor those that have passed away before us. I suspect that the future will not be all that different. Especially when it is an immortal Capsuleer that has passed into the great mystery.

To my mind, nothing symbolizes the "great mystery" in New Eden more than the Eve Gate. It is where our ancestors came from and beyond which is nothing more than the great unknown.

What I am suggesting is the creation of the opposite. A Great Ring of Fire on the opposite end of the universe from the Eve Gate. A black hole devouring a star that symbolizes the place where we go after death. The great beyond.

A place where the mechanic exists to immortalize those Capsuleers that have left us forever. Not those that un-sub never to return, but those that have tied their lives to our universe and that we know have left real life as well. A hall of heroes if you will, a Hall of Fame, a grand memorial to the fallen.

Sean's passing has, I suspect, left us all feeling a little mortal this week. I know it has made me feel the years pilling on. Perhaps this is one way to give something special back to Sean and the others that will eventually take his side, on the other side. Inspired by Sean, but something for all of us.

It is only another suggestion. As I said before, I'd support any memorial that happens in his honor. As always, I tend to think things through to their logical conclusion and how it impacts the game in the bigger picture.

Maybe now is not the time. But, then again, maybe now is the perfect time.

Your thoughts?