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New Mirror?

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Comodore John
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#21 - 2012-12-27 18:33:13 UTC
Mirrors are made at CCP's convenience, not player's. If you want extra SP, attend the Mass Tests for 2m free. Or plug in +5s and get to training. The server is to test bugs for upcoming and past features, not an EFT playground.
Cadrei Ishikela
Guatemalan Coca Plant Farmers
#22 - 2013-01-06 21:13:16 UTC
Comodore John wrote:
Mirrors are made at CCP's convenience, not player's. If you want extra SP, attend the Mass Tests for 2m free. Or plug in +5s and get to training. The server is to test bugs for upcoming and past features, not an EFT playground.


The SP Is no Concern to me. I want to see what CCP has planed for the next expanse, the reason I asked for mirror status was to plan my activites during the next mirror. Also I have friends that need to wait till the next mirror to join me on testing Patchs.

I agree we should train, but what about them. Imagine if you were them. Paying for eve but being declined from joining a public Server for all Eve Subscribers to test on. Would you think the same way?
Asudem
Black Spear.
#23 - 2013-01-07 02:51:03 UTC
New Mirror pls.
Xynthiar
OnlyFleets.
#24 - 2013-01-07 08:31:56 UTC
Cadrei Ishikela wrote:
Comodore John wrote:
Mirrors are made at CCP's convenience, not player's. If you want extra SP, attend the Mass Tests for 2m free. Or plug in +5s and get to training. The server is to test bugs for upcoming and past features, not an EFT playground.


The SP Is no Concern to me. I want to see what CCP has planed for the next expanse, the reason I asked for mirror status was to plan my activites during the next mirror. Also I have friends that need to wait till the next mirror to join me on testing Patchs.

I agree we should train, but what about them. Imagine if you were them. Paying for eve but being declined from joining a public Server for all Eve Subscribers to test on. Would you think the same way?


You are not paying for the test server. Access to the test server is granted as a privilege to those that were subscribed at the time of the mirror.
DSpite Culhach
#25 - 2013-01-07 10:17:39 UTC
Comodore John wrote:
Mirrors are made at CCP's convenience, not player's. If you want extra SP, attend the Mass Tests for 2m free. Or plug in +5s and get to training. The server is to test bugs for upcoming and past features, not an EFT playground.


If they really wanted to let as many people as possible test bugs, It would make more sense to have toons there that have enough SP to fly and run whatever is needed. I wanted to test the drones and had to do this on my own:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2416871#post2416871

As at the time of the drone changes, I had nothing to jump in with other then a Drake with 5 hobs; pretty sure it counts as "testing" but expecting me to spending orders of magnitudes longer time wise, to get more drones then watching them fly - considering the AI could initially kill them in seconds at time - is pointless, also pretty sure I'd get the ship killed lots, meaning more time waste setting them up, regardless of it being seconds or minutes.

Testing should be turnkey. Try something, flick a button try it a different way, flick a key. etc.

I fully understand CCP can't do THAT level of player interaction, but allowing players more SP's allows them to ignore whatever training they have, put skills in exactly what they need to test, and go test it. It gets reset weeks later, so why is it a problem? We already know EVE has refund mechanics, so I'm not even asking for something that needs from scratch code to be made, It would be a single database command to add X more SP to every player account.

If they ever run testing on a new Titan change, how many people would they actually expect to be able to "test" it properly? If syncs are common, you're not allowed to grief etc, what harm is there to give players SP's for testing?

I'd also like to points out that even after "the testing" it was voted to be broken AND practically all the missions had all room aggro, so, how did that slip past?

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

Rutger Janssen
Chanuur
The Initiative.
#26 - 2013-01-07 10:34:18 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
If they really wanted to let as many people as possible test bugs, It would make more sense to have toons there that have enough SP to fly and run whatever is needed.

But if everyone could fly anything and has max SP chars, noone is testing the low end stuff and would be running missions in faction BS. By keeping testers limited, they're more likely to test different kind of configurations.
DSpite Culhach
#27 - 2013-01-07 14:04:10 UTC
Rutger Janssen wrote:
DSpite Culhach wrote:
If they really wanted to let as many people as possible test bugs, It would make more sense to have toons there that have enough SP to fly and run whatever is needed.

But if everyone could fly anything and has max SP chars, noone is testing the low end stuff and would be running missions in faction BS. By keeping testers limited, they're more likely to test different kind of configurations.


From a tester point of view that makes no sense. Something comes up for testing and you instantly remove a section of all the player base from testing because they do not have the particular hulls trained well enough.

If they say "we need testing of ring mining" how many players do you think they will get? First off, all the combat people in SiSi now that test fleets will not have mining barge skills or the inclination to bother to try shooting rocks, and the miners in TQ will probably not be interested to mine for no benefits, and if I wanted to test it - and I would - I'd also have to train for a couple of weeks before even getting in the hull+mods.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

Matthew97
#28 - 2013-01-07 14:23:26 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
Rutger Janssen wrote:
DSpite Culhach wrote:
If they really wanted to let as many people as possible test bugs, It would make more sense to have toons there that have enough SP to fly and run whatever is needed.

But if everyone could fly anything and has max SP chars, noone is testing the low end stuff and would be running missions in faction BS. By keeping testers limited, they're more likely to test different kind of configurations.


From a tester point of view that makes no sense. Something comes up for testing and you instantly remove a section of all the player base from testing because they do not have the particular hulls trained well enough.

If they say "we need testing of ring mining" how many players do you think they will get? First off, all the combat people in SiSi now that test fleets will not have mining barge skills or the inclination to bother to try shooting rocks, and the miners in TQ will probably not be interested to mine for no benefits, and if I wanted to test it - and I would - I'd also have to train for a couple of weeks before even getting in the hull+mods.



If they really needed lots of people testing Ring Mining for example, its likely that they'll just give everyone the Pre-Req's to use the stuff at the base level
DSpite Culhach
#29 - 2013-01-07 20:13:51 UTC
Matthew97 wrote:
DSpite Culhach wrote:
Rutger Janssen wrote:
DSpite Culhach wrote:
If they really wanted to let as many people as possible test bugs, It would make more sense to have toons there that have enough SP to fly and run whatever is needed.

But if everyone could fly anything and has max SP chars, noone is testing the low end stuff and would be running missions in faction BS. By keeping testers limited, they're more likely to test different kind of configurations.


From a tester point of view that makes no sense. Something comes up for testing and you instantly remove a section of all the player base from testing because they do not have the particular hulls trained well enough.

If they say "we need testing of ring mining" how many players do you think they will get? First off, all the combat people in SiSi now that test fleets will not have mining barge skills or the inclination to bother to try shooting rocks, and the miners in TQ will probably not be interested to mine for no benefits, and if I wanted to test it - and I would - I'd also have to train for a couple of weeks before even getting in the hull+mods.



If they really needed lots of people testing Ring Mining for example, its likely that they'll just give everyone the Pre-Req's to use the stuff at the base level


... which makes perfect sense. By that same reasoning, if they wanted players testing drones, why not let players that have no drone skills spend points IN drones to do teh testing.

Yes I am aware that its not that simple, I'm just saying that it would be far more logical, and since just handing a couple of million SP would cover two months of training, always adding 2 million spare SP's every time there is a sync would be the fastest, least over powered way to get more people to do testing.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

Captain Thunderwalker
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#30 - 2013-01-07 22:14:28 UTC
i for one like the idea of of no time cost to skill progression. ye there would be ppl jumping in the titans and such and there's going to be ppl testing stuff for ccp and pvp training for them selves.

Im just guessing here but i think there's a reason that ccp has the server almost always open for ppl.

Im sure eve corps would love to come to Buckingham to test out fleet comps so they don't lose the bank on t2/faction ships/fittings.


And i can just see the devs seting back reading these threads and telling each other they dont even have to respond with what they think/like because theres ppl in here who seam to talk for ccp
zxsteel
#31 - 2013-01-09 15:32:12 UTC
-70 days now, ideas if we will see one before 3 month point?
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#32 - 2013-01-09 23:10:17 UTC
zxsteel wrote:
-70 days now, ideas if we will see one before 3 month point?


It would be safe to assume that the longer we are going without a mirror. the higher the chances are of one happening soon.

yes

Asudem
Black Spear.
#33 - 2013-01-11 01:28:50 UTC
In the last downtime, they might have taken a mirror from TQ. The long DT of Singularity could mean, that the testserver finally gets an update. Just hoping.
Saladin Boneslash
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-01-11 19:46:33 UTC
Rutger Janssen wrote:
DSpite Culhach wrote:
If they really wanted to let as many people as possible test bugs, It would make more sense to have toons there that have enough SP to fly and run whatever is needed.

But if everyone could fly anything and has max SP chars, noone is testing the low end stuff and would be running missions in faction BS. By keeping testers limited, they're more likely to test different kind of configurations.


Wrong. I have no interest in running missions with faction BS. Well, maybe I would try a couple in low or null, since I don't live there now. From that standpoint, it might even work to lure HS carebears into lowsec on Tranqulity. Big smile Probably not. P

My goal with testing would be to try some things that I COULD currently do "live" on Tranquility, but can't afford to risk a few billion isk in testing it. And my char on the test server wasn't updated after the mirror. A pool of unallocated SP given at mirror time would be excellent for that purpose.

And for those who say that the server is for CCP's testing, not ours, and so we should shut up about the mirror. You are correct that it is primarily for CCP's benefit. But they are missing out on potential testers by leaving us nerfed if we don't maintain skill training in two different places - one of which is only "fake". It's their choice.
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